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ohh .. the alternative (in IA the first is impossible until start of GE next week, just got up from BA) of quest 31 looked not sooo bad: "win 6 battles without loosing or pay some goods into the treasury" ... but then "some" turned out to be 200 - really, in IA? That's about twice as all my IA goods and even if I would produce goods it would take several days to aquire ...
not a good balance - and might turn off beginners (not on beta, but have seen the devastating effect of such over-the-top quests on life servers)
Well...
Between step 8 and step 24 i have to pay 1260 goods to the tresory (current age ou above age) because i have no techno to unlock : it's just ridiculous
Then when i open a 50 lanterns box to "win" (!) a whisteria topiary (191 smileys), i think such a gift at modern age is just ridiculous.
So i stopped to play the event after the 7 first steps.
I know that every event is described by someone as " the worst ever " but in this case its so true. It seems to me that IG release a prize, ie the PoH, that is very well received by the players, so much so that the bean counters decide to push the envelope by making the next slightly less attractive, ie carnival bridge. Still many players went for it and so with this event the envelope is getting pushed even further and in my opinion to the point where the event is simply not worth the effort.
To be honest, I don't think it's worse than last year. Yes, there's no guarantee we'd get a complete set even if we spend diamonds, and that's frustrating but sadly I got used to that...
On a positive note, some of us are in a better shape than last year because we've gotten some cherry pieces from DCs.
In my main world on live i have 1 Sakura and 4 ponds in inventory. (4 of those from DCs, 1 pond from last event). With questline giving a gong and emperor's entrance upon completing, I'd be missing only the zen zone for a complete second set. So for me it'd be easier this time, at least theoretically.
Wondering if @xivarmy will come up with the % of getting a complete set without using diamonds like he/she did for the last 2 events? that was very helpful, especially the strategy for the football event - i used it in all my worlds and got the pillar to lvl 7
With questline giving a gong and emperor's entrance upon completing, I'd be missing only the zen zone for a complete second set. So for me it'd be easier this time, at least theoretically.
If you sum up all the lanterns you can get from quests, you end up with something like 1200 lanterns. With these you can buy yourself about 20 chests. Every chest gives you about 1/5 chance to get a kit. So on average you can get only 4 out of 5 items without using diamonds. This sucks.
If you sum up all the lanterns you can get from quests, you end up with something like 1200 lanterns. With these you can buy yourself about 20 chests. Every chest gives you about 1/5 chance to get a kit. So on average you can get only 4 out of 5 items without using diamonds. This sucks.
62 quest giving approx. 13 Lanterns on average is 806 lanterns + 175 during the questline = 981.
981 + 10 each day you log in on a 23 day quest (230) = 1211.
1211 + 62 trees spawned through quest completion + 21-ish trees spawned by opening chest (each tree on average giving approx. 1,8 Lantern (?) = 150 Lanterns.
Alltogether 1361-ish Lanterns.
If you go for the chests with the highest percentage chance (consider the cost of the chest as well) 16-20%, then you should be able to open 22-ish chests.
But what is most important, and what you seem to have overlooked, is that you get 2 pieces during the questline, so you only need 3 from chests. And as you state yourself: On average you can get 4 of 5 set pieces. Choose the right ones, and you should be good - on average. Even with a single uprade on top of that.
Overall, I´m very pleased with how this event works.
I have my 1 set fully upgraded. I have bought 2 x 160 Lanterns for Diamonds (1400). But that´s only due to my impatience. With more than 16 days left, I could have waited and gotten the 160 Lanterns for daily log-in, and I even have 17 quests left to do. So I might not should´ve resorted to diamondspending at all. And that´s the experience I´ll take with me to my main city on Live servers, where I have 2 full sets built. If need be, I´m prepared to spend Diamonds to get the 2nd Gong- and Entrance-uograde, so I´ll end up with 1 fully upgraded set, and the 2nd set with upgraded Gong and Entrance.
But what is most important, and what you seem to have overlooked, is that you get 2 pieces during the questline, so you only need 3 from chests. And as you state yourself: On average you can get 4 of 5 set pieces. Choose the right ones, and you should be good - on average. Even with a single uprade on top of that.
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But what is most important, and what you seem to have overlooked, is that you get 2 pieces during the questline, so you only need 3 from chests. And as you state yourself: On average you can get 4 of 5 set pieces. Choose the right ones, and you should be good - on average. Even with a single uprade on top of that..
Exactly my point!
On average we'll get 4-5 pieces. If one is starting from scratch they'd need 3 for a complete set, so that makes it another 1-2 left for upgrades (or as a buffer if unlucky)
Is someone has a headstart (additional pieces from DCs) - even better.
@BetaTest03 how is that worse than last year?
Last time we had 3 pieces ensured and had to win another 2. Keep in mind last year the gold chest cost 120 lanterns (!) and one would have about 1380 lanterns total (less in reality as those pieces didn't show up on last day).....which is about 11 tries. 11 attempts at 25% each - that's just about the expected value - to get 2 out of 11 tries.
But keeping that in mind that 11 attempts are too few to expect the expected value....
No I didn't get a full set in all my worlds.
And that was expected.
So all that being said, actually think this year's event is slightly better than last one.
Yes - if you spent a few thousand diamonds last year, you could have gotten all pieces from the grand prize...
Now those who don't wanna spend diamonds have better chance. How is that bad?
I believe he meant that last year we could have gotten all pieces (actually unlimited) from grand prizes if our credit cards were unlimited too
So in that sense - it was easier....you pay - you win hehe
If you bet on an
risky luck based event and doesn't grant anything there is an large risk to lose paying players how
wants to pay for the stuff you offer.
You miss understand my point. I wasn't aiming for insane high chances in
the chests, I was aiming for the old system. Perhaps I must give an better
explenation.
1.) I don't aim for high-high chances, 20-25 procent as default is fine
2.) I was aiming for the grand prizes, I'll try to explain what they does mean and why
I'm aiming for this, because I did mean that with granted prices.
Grandprices are prices that are granted after x tries. When obtaining the new kits
are excluded to the risky stupid casino games, perhaps people will beeing less motivated
to buying diamonds. Since it's all just an bet. While if the 5 kits where in the grand
prices it would be diffrent.
Now in advance of this explenation. One grand prizes are granted after x tries, no
mater what you win. There are 5 kits to win. If all of this kits are put into the 5 grand
prices (and may show up in the dailly special) still an well paying player need the
following number of flowers:
250 / grand price
20 / try (when he/she chooise aim for the biggest number of flowers)
There are 5 kits to win of the grand prices, this are an total number of flowers
of:
250 flowers / grand price x 5 = 1.250 flowers
1.250 flowers : 20 = 62.5 attemps
So one set costs 63 attemps.
So 63 attemps are required and the player always aims for the most expansive
chest. This chest costs 65 blossems. So this does mean this player needs an
total of:
65 blossems / chest x 63 attemps = 4..095 blossems
62 missions, assuming that all this missions gives you 15 blossems:
62 x 15 = 930 blossems
Total of missions: 930 blossems + 225 blossems (bonus of completing x missions) =
1.155 blossems
This means this player is short of blossmes, the shortes is:
4.095 required blossems - 1,115 = 2.940 blossems
Assuming that all trees are giving 5 blossems (best possible output) and
this player will obtain all of this for 22 days:
5 blossems x 22 days = 110 blossmes
15 blossems x 22 days = 330 blossems (dailly bonus)
Brings the total ballance on:
+1.115 blossems (missions) + 110 blossems (trees) + 330 blossems (dailly bonus) =
1.555 blossems total obtained.
The required blossems where 4.095 blossems.
Shorted: 4.095 blossems (required) - 1.555 blossems (free obtained blossems) =
2.540 blossems
So you must buy 2.540 blossems for this goal, so this will become:
2.540 blossems : 480 blossems / buyed package = 5.3x buyed blossems with diamonds
However we aim for the lowest number of diamonds we need to spend. So this
does mean:
480 blossems x 5 = 2.400 blossems from this large packages
This would cost you: 1.995 diamonds / packages x 5 = 9.975 diamonds
Still you need 140 blossems. This will cost you:
700 diamonds, to buy 180 blossoms.
Total required diamonds / set: 9.975 diamonds + 700 diamonds =
10.675 diamonds
Counting back towards euro's, this would cost on live most likely
80 euro and with that you can make some progress for the second
set.
I don't know about the very specific case of you, by well willing to pay till you don't
have any euro left for trying to get the kits, but I think an larger number of people
would be more well willing in paying Inno arround 80 euro to get garranteed the set,
than some people how are going nuts in an dessprate attemp to obtain the entire
set. I personaly find 80 euro not resonable, but I guass many more players finding
it resonable. Yet I find paying 80 euro directly with knowing I would get my set
complete(d upgrade) is infinint more resonable than paying endless for maybe just
one single kit.... I don't know how your thinking about it, but it's just how I'm thinking
about this.
My best assumptions is that this calculations where also made by the dev. team and
they bet that there are enough paying players how are going nuts in paying huge
amounts of money, instead of an more safe bet on paying players how pay arround
80 euro / set...
It's just speculation but I find it logical thinking out from an companies
possition. However I would like to argue that it's an very risky bet, compared to
the more safer bet of miljoens of people how are well willing to pay 80 euro per
set they want. Even if this is agross 30 live servers and on avrage 20 people
are paying 80 euro, this is still 30 live servers x 20 paying players x 80 euro =
48.000 euro and only from this event. Still my assumption is very low and an
bit a wors case scenario. Just some thoughts of me in an attemp to understand
both parties.
While the entire money thing is an major thing, to keep this game in the air and
the dev. team must find ways to bring up enough money with this game, otherwise
Inno will close it like Lagoonia and Kartuga, I think it's also highly important if not
one of the first priorities to keep customers happy and I think making an frustrating
event system isn't doing this job well. It's only fair to notice that I'm not some one
how did study marketing, but I think this basic things are logical. Sure some
players will be lucky and so they will be happy, sure you can pin point them and
ignoring the fact that also plenty aren't lucky and getting really frustrated.
I'm maybe not an official but I can think of 2 very dissepointing ways as it is right now. I
think it's also worth to reminding you that it doesn't mater that many don't like to beeing
limited to betting and that the grand prizes (how are granted after x tries) are not the
new stuff. Just following the money, isn't it?
Back on topic: this ways:
Way one (feelling lucky? have insane luck trhough entire event or for 5 times)
1.) Your name is Gladstone Gander and your extremely lucky
2.) Since your an extreme luck baster every single try is garanteed the thing you want
3.) So smash that button to open the chest as many times you want the set / upgrades, when this item is today's special
4.) Altarnative your just freacking lucky
Way Two (big spender, lose your money, your house, your wife, your kids, your dog, but you got yourself an event set that's what count, isn't it?)
1.) Pays 100, 200, 400, 600, 800, 1.000 euro or even more and use this diamonds for lanterns
2.) Open the chests and finding your rough luck, but keep spamming money till you got finaly the kit, this
can takes btw eassely days, maybe weeks and can eassely drain all your RL money, but at the end Inno
is rich and you may got one set, or two, or more
3.) Good job, you payed a ton, you don't have money to pay the bill nor food, but Inno is rich and happy
and you got maybe the set or maybe not. This was the entire goal of the event as it is right now, fantastic
work this is and great success, let's do this next year again. Hopefully you spend again all your money
and gains nothing or maybe and just maybe because the system is so ''fair'' and kind, you got at least
something.
Note: This is sarcasm, but really this is the most likely situation
This where simply the ways in this system. In the old system? Just finish
all missions, when your finding yourself unlucky enough just pay Inno 80
euro, they are happy with your money and your happy with your full 5
kits. So everyboddy happy, isn't it? In the current system it works wildly
diffrent, as I pointed out above.
What some are starting to see now, that was what i took about 2m to get it... this year we can only get the pieces by opening the daily chest, major rip off to players, unless you spent tons of money on someone who does not care about opinions.
Assuming that % are not tainted...
that was very helpful, especially the strategy for the football event - i used it in all my worlds and got the pillar to lvl 7 
