I strongly believe in the community, that is what is keeping me playing still !!
) But im willing to give Inno Games a chance
YES !!! Its the same on the Country servers, sadly !!
Since Inno Games / Developers are watching Beta more closely than the individual Country servers.
No obligation, I was just repeating a promise from Innogames during a previous mass concern.
I am an honest player. I enjoy the game. I am playing the way I want to play. The game allows for that flexibility.Should Forge of Empires be for real fairplaying players or for cheaters ??
For too long cheaters has been able to keep playing, and taking away the enjoyment fomo real fairplaying players, who ends up quiting the game..
So when is it enough for Inno Games, when will they start to do some real stuff, and secure their own games future ??
Inno Games is doing somethings to prevent cheating for sure... But not the right steps !!
For example they made cooldowns on buttons, so you cant speed-click.. Okay, lets break that down on what is does.
For cheaters using scripts, its easy to time those cooldowns, and progam it into the script, so there is no disadvantage there..
For real players, the cooldown is a pain in the a.. So why punish the fair playing part of players ?
What could be done ? Inno could use pixel-loggers, which logs which pixels are getting used, and if there is a pattern.
For a real person it is impossible to hit the same pixel over and over again, and in the same rythm, over a longer period.
And that is what a script does !! You could program more diversity in which pixel is activated, but in the end, there emerges a pattern !!!
Thats pretty easy to do, yes it takes server power, yes be cause their a lot of cheaters!! So i think we would all trade a longer waiting time, over no cheaters ;-)
When we are talking about cheaters, they all use scripts, either homemade or a specific programme.. So to ban a specific programme is useless !! Cheaters can change programme.. So thats why a pixel-logger is perfect, be cause it doesnt do anything else than log the pixels activated, and then its very easy to see if there is a pattern
Cheating is relevant on Beta and in all of the other servers in all of the countries.. So where can fairplaying players unite to express their frystrations toward cheating ??
Sadly i dont know.. But here on Beta, we are represented by a lot of different countries, so here we could get feedback from a lot of servers, so Inno Games could see that cheating is a real problem, they need to address quick and hard !!!
They need to hit pause on developing new stuff, thats not keeping fairplaying players in the game, if cheating is continued..
So please Inno Games, Cheating is real, and happening right now, and takinging away the thrill for honest fairplaying players !!
- Dear Beta Moderators and Supporters, this post is not meant to be commented by you. But it would be fantastic if you would report future comments back to Inno Games headquarters, so they could see that cheating is a bigger problem, than they think ;-)
Dear honest fairplaying players. Please comment on how you experience cheating, where is it seen, in which part of the game, if you are getting tired of cheating, and much appriciated if you suggest ways of preventing cheaters to cheat !!!
Do not comment on WHO is cheating or which GUILD is cheating. That doesnt solve anything !!
Best Regards Freki
Just to mention a major flaw with that: What If I decide to just pump all my FPs to a great building of a player I don't like. I would have pushed them and they would get permanently banned for it, even though they did not even do anything themselves.
If you or another player did that. You would only have to look at the pattern of the donating player and hold it up against the player who got the GB filled. And there will also be some other parameters that will be different, as you know ;-)
I do not question Inno's way of controlling in order to avoid sanctioning an innocent person, but as soon as the final sanction falls on the 3 small accounts and a temporary sanction for the beneficiary, we must not be taken for fools.
Yeah, and I would be one of those asking who are those that were caught in the crosshairs. For me, if a cheat was caught, they deserved to be shamed and told off. If they didn't want to make the list then they should not have cheated in the first place. In other games, when we know of a cheat/scammer, all types of assistance is barred (for example, if he/she is in a guild, they are kicked off) or farmed (in games that build for resources).
Exactly, I want to know who's been cheating. Not that it affects my gameplay because I play fair, but I want to be sure so I don't do business with them. A game I used to play before it went off the PC world had people that would exploit bugs to get more gold and/or duplicate certain powerful equipment/items. When word came out for both, I wasn't too worried about the gold since I wasn't doing the exploit, but I was more concerned with the equipment/items as I do buy from folks in the game if I cannot make my own (usually the hardest ones I cannot make). The developer was banning people left and right for having such duplicates, including those that bought said duped items. We didn't know that it was duped, and I had to present mine to their support to get that ban overturned. They unbanned my account on the condition that the duped items will be deleted in their roll back update. I lose in the end, though because I was doing a lot of quests to get certain features that I have to do them again due to the rollback.
Bah, no. If there was any (beside the sometimes once-in-a-while ones) things would have been okay.
Yeah, he does. I see him all the time in Motown. Him and his old lady.
Leave that one to The Rock and Larry the Cable Guy.
Actually, I do for the ones that concern me when I need a status update. For others, I am in Facebook groups that would state such to read about.
So, basically, you're saying that there's a bunch of loopholes going about that made some (if not all) my premonitions true. And that is why we still have cheaters on about because they had exploited such loopholes and already know that Inno won't be able to do anything unless it was something out of the parameters to be even considered as banable offense.
Yes we are all tired of cheaters !! and Yes we all want to make FoE better for us all, so lets contribute with suggestions on what Inno Games can do to prevent cheaters 
I don't want to go into too much detail, but there is a difference between a piece of software that does actually move your mouse around and scripts that do things in the background for you while you can use your mouse freely. One of the many differences is that they would need to be handled differently from our side.Auto-clicker software consists of scripts !! try to google this "make scripts to auto click on pixels" and you will learn that an auto-clicker software can be made with scripts
This is not a topic where you "believe" something. There are things that you just won't know as a player and it will always stay that way.
Just to clarify here: we never delete accounts, we only ban.
This topic is nothing that we can handle transparently. We cannot say "push starts at 5k FP" (this is entirely made up), because then people would just use that information and "push" 4999 FP. If we say "we now detect and ban script x" whoever created that script will be alarmed and try a different method etc.
When you're using mobile data, a lot of people can share the same IP address, so IP bans cannot be applied.
Regarding "I don't want to go into too much detail, but there is a difference between a piece of software that does actually move your mouse around and scripts that do things in the background for you while you can use your mouse freely. On of the many differences is that they would need to be handled differently from our side."
) Thats what im speculating on at least, i have plenty to do with my 1 Account on Beta and 1 Account on Public LoL But anyways, if the Players doesnt violate any rules regarding Pushing, Trading Goods, Exchange sectors in GvG or GBG or in any other way deals/trades ect. with their other Accounts, i dont see a problem
Yep, true to the letter on what each does. I only use a script to automate tasks on my "home"-based server of my network when I cannot physically be able (can Team View and drive if I have four arms and two heads). I am a traveling tech, so my office is basically my transport that I travel hours. I can still do tasks for a short bit before I let scripts take care of the rest while keeping my eyes on the road (and occasionally, on the GPS) as I take in the scenic routes.
I think what they were trying to say that not everyone believes in reporting someone. Maybe, it is probably because nothing was done and it is pointless in doing so.
Yeah, for if you delete an account, it can be re-created again without any ban in place as that would have been deleted as well.
I guess the real question is how would Inno differentiate between someone or a group of people who is either generous (in the days before swaps and 1.xx, I would pump in FP to get spots 1 or 2 on someone's GB) or in a group -AND- a player who has alternate accounts throwing all their FPs into that player's main account? In other games I had played in the past, the only way to find out who was cheating was to look at their player name (i.e., Joe, Joe01, Joe02, Joe3, Joe4, Joe5, etc.) as well as their character and/or development. However, there were issues with that (who knows, maybe someone had to use Joe6 as their player name because their desired name of Joe was already taken) that the names were taken off the checklist. Also, the craftier ones would just use different names for their additional alts. Hence why some other games would allow alts (with exceptions as I will explain in the next paragraph).
Thanks to technology of today, everyone can stay connected. However, the one question still remains, how do we differentiate those connecting in a gaming hall, a public wi-fi hotspot like Starbucks or McDonald's, or at a hotel from a person running 10 accounts from the same network at home? Dealing with technology as a tech, businesses would just have that one provisioned IP from the telco provider at a location, which I am assuming that your IP detection protocols are using; not the IP addresses on the machine/devices themselves that connect to said switches/router.
Tbh, I think most cheaters using auto clickers do it on the app via an emulator on Pc instead of the browser. On the browser, Inno keeps track of your clicks (don't think location but just timing). I don't think that happens on the app, I would really doubt that.
While this can be understood if on a home network or close shared connection, the bigger question is how Inno would differentiate on players that might be on larger single IP provisioned connections like hotels, internet cafes, and the like? The guild I joined in beta have some people residing in neighboring states and/or cities close to me. While I do not know where they live, work, or go for social, what would be the chances of Inno detecting I would be on a shared connection versus I would be on a single connection? Possibly disabling my (or their) ability to donate to their GBs (or mine) for the duration until I get out of range? The only way I can think of is being on my own connection (mobile data) and not going on to wi-fi at hotels, eating spots, malls, etc. if I don't want to worry on it; but that will defeat the purpose of going on wi-fi if on a limited plan.