DeletedUser7703
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No that's an issue with the wrong values being displayed on app, will be fixed on a new version.
https://forum.beta.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/expansions-costs.9648/
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No that's an issue with the wrong values being displayed on app, will be fixed on a new version.
https://forum.beta.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/expansions-costs.9648/
DeletedUser4403
Guest
Nice to know I’m just burning goods then
It's certainly something that'll trap a lot of folks going from 'expansions are forever and the best diamond purchase' to 'all that matters is time to reach point X and even some 'free' expansions aren't going to be worth it'. I don't think the 17 axe expansion with axes is an error - more of just a decision. even the 27 axe expansion it's not going to be a make or break decision whether you pay the 27 axes or pay 45 axes for mead brewery and pay 7 mead saving 400 copper of goods. This is sort of where all the decisions are for the most part. It's an illusion of a choice that won't make a big difference either way.
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WykkenFenn
Viceroy
Any expansions bought with diamonds in the settlements are a waste, because when you finish the settlement and it resets, you have to buy them again in the next settlement.
By that logic any diamonds spent are a waste. An expansion bought in the settlement is worth about 320 copper a day (assuming 5 4 hour cycles collected and no impediments/wasted space). In simple terms the settlement's goal is to make 25000 copper, and turn that 25000 copper into the right goods.
Bruce the Destroyer
Steward
my current expansion cost - 63 axe, 42, 15 horn, 2 wool. I bought all diamond expansions (just this time, never again).10 still available. cant yet make horn/wool
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WykkenFenn
Viceroy
Not quite. When you buy an expansion in your city, it's permanent, the expansions don't disappear when you progress to the next Age, so the diamonds you spent to buy it were well invested.
When you buy an expansion for diamonds in the settlement, it's not permanent. In my opinion, that's a throwaway. There are better things for me to spend my diamonds on.
You don't have to buy expansions with diamonds to make the settlement successful. Rather, I don't have to, anyway.
I mean any diamonds spent on settlement. Point is all diamonds spent on settlements are to buy *time*. Whether 500 diamonds for an expansion or 5 diamonds per good to unlock a tech is a better purchase of time is an open question.
With the goal being to complete the thing not once but 15 times, cutting a few days off a single playthrough with use of some amount of diamonds may not be a waste to all.
WykkenFenn
Viceroy
Gotcha. You are right about the time aspect, I just don't think of it. I get that someone may wish to pursue the fast route. My playstyle is more relaxed, I know I'm not likely to finish in the time allotted, and I'm fine with it. But yes, I see your point.
DeletedUser6484
Guest
If using axes each time, the cost per expansion changed like this after buying first three:
The 1st expansion can be bought with either 2 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
The 2nd one can be bought with either 7 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
3rd one can be bought with 15 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
4th one can be bought with either 27 Axes, 7 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
If I buy #4 with 27 axes, does this look right for cost of 5th expansion:
5th one can be bought with either 46 Axes, 15 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool?
The 1st expansion can be bought with either 2 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
The 2nd one can be bought with either 7 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
3rd one can be bought with 15 Axes, 2 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
4th one can be bought with either 27 Axes, 7 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool.
If I buy #4 with 27 axes, does this look right for cost of 5th expansion:
5th one can be bought with either 46 Axes, 15 Mead, 2 Horns, or 2 Wool?
housemouse
Squire
Coins disappear. I just had 60 coins left, now they are gone.
Also yesterday something must have disappeared, because I had to start exactly with shrines and houses 3 productions. In the end it was not enough. I also have the feeling that goods have already disappeared.
Also yesterday something must have disappeared, because I had to start exactly with shrines and houses 3 productions. In the end it was not enough. I also have the feeling that goods have already disappeared.
DeletedUser
Guest
Nothing is disappearing. It's being used when players don't realize it.
housemouse
Squire
Did you ever see how many axes you need at the end to unlock Mead Hall?
You can not do that in life in 21 days.
So far, each good has flowed in extension.
DeletedUser9523
Guest
Since there is some confusion on the topic:
The costs of expansion depend on the number of expansion you unlock. It doesn't matter which good you have used to pay for it.
See the costs below:
To give some info on the design thoughts behind this:
The idea is that you always think whether it is worth it to stay (a bit longer) with the latest unlocked good to get additional expansions, or if you rather go along the advancements to get the next goods building (as it will be more efficient in unlocking expansions).
That's why this table is aligned in the same order as the unlocking of the different Cultural Goods buildings.
The costs of expansion depend on the number of expansion you unlock. It doesn't matter which good you have used to pay for it.
See the costs below:
To give some info on the design thoughts behind this:
The idea is that you always think whether it is worth it to stay (a bit longer) with the latest unlocked good to get additional expansions, or if you rather go along the advancements to get the next goods building (as it will be more efficient in unlocking expansions).
That's why this table is aligned in the same order as the unlocking of the different Cultural Goods buildings.
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DeletedUser9523
Guest
It is possible, because as you progress, you have more space and more efficient buildings, therefore your daily production of Cultural Goods increases (which makes the later advancement not as expensive as they seem).
Before we released this feature, we tested it with the current balancing ourselves - multiple times (of course without diamond spendings). I frequently managed to do it in time with some buffer at the end.
A game design colleague who is usually a great strategist even made it in 15 days!
housemouse
Squire
that means in the end you unlock everything and can not use it at all because you have no space for it.
Great idea.
Great idea.
DeletedUser7529
Guest
Not really, if someone goes for time its much better to unlock buildings than waste diamonds on expansions. Their cost is waaay too high to what they offer (64 copper production for every 16 tiles).
DeletedUser7703
Guest
Thanks for that, should the 11th expansion cost 99 axes?
DeletedUser9523
Guest
You, sir, deserve a cookie! Thanks for spotting that.
But it was only wrong in my posting, it is correct in the game.
I updated the image above!
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