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Feedback St. Patrick's Day Event 2023

RisenShine

Merchant
Level 10 with time constraints (still assumes you can get on at 2-3 different times a day) and no diamonds:

Aim for as many cities as you *can* do (at least 10 cities is ideal including the short one at the start so that you hit 300 tasks = 1 guaranteed set of 5 golden fragments) = 1 every 2 days (and a bit) which should be comfortable enough to do if you have "some" time and follow the same strategy as people trying to squeeze in 1 every day practically but with more off-time - it's still important to minimize managers to some extent (not quite so extreme because less cities), because you need enough pots of gold to buy full sets of chests 2-3 times. But the more cities the better the odds.

You should always include festival manager 3 & shipyard manager 3 in every run for time constraint reasons; level 4 on one, the other, or both can speed up a run, but adds a lot of extra cost to it - so should be minimized.

Other managers are primarily for tasks and automation, and should be minimized with some tasks that require expensive managers skipped. You can take level 1 in each manager at least for automation purposes.

You'll find people's "speed run" strategies lists exactly which members to skip (you may not be going as fast as them, but they've done the math on which tasks are the most wasteful - you want to hit 32+ tasks per city to validate that the speed run in question is going to be suitable for your purpose).

Don't be unlucky and see fragments at least twice (or three times if 10 cities turned out to be too many) ; buy the chests when fragments show - if you get them 3 times you can adjust towards running less cities. (No way to avoid this if under both time constraints and no-spending constraints)

Your odds (assuming 1/3 chance of seeing fragments) can be pulled from this table - 10 cities needing 2 or more sets of fragments is just under 90%:

Towns Completed​
1 or More​
2 or More​
3 or More​
1​
33.33%​
0.00%​
0.00%​
2​
55.56%​
11.11%​
0.00%​
3​
70.37%​
25.93%​
3.70%​
4​
80.25%​
40.74%​
11.11%​
5​
86.83%​
53.91%​
20.99%​
6​
91.22%​
64.88%​
31.96%​
7​
94.15%​
73.66%​
42.94%​
8​
96.10%​
80.49%​
53.18%​
9​
97.40%​
85.69%​
62.28%​
10​
98.27%​
89.60%​
70.09%​
11​
98.84%​
92.49%​
76.59%​
12​
99.23%​
94.60%​
81.89%​
13​
99.49%​
96.15%​
86.13%​
14​
99.66%​
97.26%​
89.47%​
15​
99.77%​
98.06%​
92.06%​
16​
99.85%​
98.63%​
94.06%​
17​
99.90%​
99.04%​
95.58%​
18​
99.93%​
99.32%​
96.74%​
19​
99.95%​
99.53%​
97.60%​
how do I do that with a full time job - and I have to collect 8,4 Q to enter a new town
 

GateKeeper

Baronet
how do I do that with a full time job - and I have to collect 8,4 Q to enter a new town
its setting up the building levels that takes the longest amount of gameplay needed. the 8.4Q takes several hours to gather once you have the building and mangers set at the correct levels but you dont have to be playing while that happens. But your question is fair, this event , which I personally enjoy over other brainless clicking events, does take gametime to do it correctly. Thats why I do the slow method, where you can take 3-4 days per town.
 

RisenShine

Merchant
its setting up the building levels that takes the longest amount of gameplay needed. the 8.4Q takes several hours to gather once you have the building and mangers set at the correct levels but you dont have to be playing while that happens. But your question is fair, this event , which I personally enjoy over other brainless clicking events, does take gametime to do it correctly. Thats why I do the slow method, where you can take 3-4 days per town.
I know how St patrick works - am not new to this game - 10 cities in 21 days - and you have to collect 8,4 Q 8-9 times to enter a new citi - not gonna happen, when you are away from the game 10-12 hours a day due to work - and then some hours for some sleep - not many hours left for the game.
 

Una Queen

Squire
ok well dang that kind of changes things for the slow paced method. Slow pace method you only complete 4 cities... that be some real good luck to for 3 out 4. BUT, then again... in the fast paced method, your not supposed to open all chest and spend 1400 gold pots correct? so even with that 5 fragment reward in the chests anybody doing fast paced method will still spend diamonds to get more Shamrocks, since they spend on the chest. I dont see how mixing methods would work. But someone with a chart might be able to explain.
Im not doing fast pace so keep jumping to conclusions. how'd you come to the conclusion Im doing fast pace when its been 3 days and I got the fragments on the FIRST city.
 

GateKeeper

Baronet
Im not doing fast pace so keep jumping to conclusions. how'd you come to the conclusion Im doing fast pace when its been 3 days and I got the fragments on the FIRST city.
lol why you so mad.... re-read it. other players understood the meaning.

well first, my response was not about what method or anything about what you did lol. it simply about the chance of getting the 5-Frag reward in the chest after completing any city

once you realize not everything is about you and the fact that not one word was about or towards you, you will be a happier person in real life too. for the record, yes this last statement was about you ;)
 

GateKeeper

Baronet
I know how St patrick works - am not new to this game - 10 cities in 21 days - and you have to collect 8,4 Q 8-9 times to enter a new citi - not gonna happen, when you are away from the game 10-12 hours a day due to work - and then some hours for some sleep - not many hours left for the game.
you asked the question, you got an answer... this is how asking questions work . if you aren't new than you know how it works, so than why ask your full time job question? so ignore the 4 city method...was just trying help you....but you know it all, thats why you asked your question about right ;)
 

xivarmy

Overlord
Perk Creator
how do I do that with a full time job - and I have to collect 8,4 Q to enter a new town
Careful timing. You need a bit over 1 continuous hour (say 1.5 to be safe) to get a new city to all buildings unlocked and some levels on fireworks (say 200/200 festival & shipyard + level 10-15 fireworks). I'm presuming you can get that in the evening say.

Then the next morning before work you move to 250/250/30 with probably room to spare (it only really took a couple more hours to make enough shamrocks to do that, so you might even be able to get it part way done before sleep.

The next evening you move to something like 300/280/35. (this is when things have started getting really slow).

The next morning you move to 300/300/50. And in the evening you should have 8.4Q done and ready to repeat the ordeal again. Done in 2 days.
 

Emm55

Merchant
if* the fragments are available (but yes that's probably the best way to go)
Despite the dire implications of this event, at least we will have a suspenseful ending. Waiting for the golden fragments to appear. I haven't seen any yet.
 

CrashBoom

Legend
Level 10 with time constraints (still assumes you can get on at 2-3 different times a day) and no diamonds:

Aim for as many cities as you *can* do (at least 10 cities is ideal including the short one at the start so that you hit 300 tasks = 1 guaranteed set of 5 golden fragments) = 1 every 2 days (and a bit) which should be comfortable enough to do if you have "some" time and follow the same strategy as people trying to squeeze in 1 every day practically but with more off-time - it's still important to minimize managers to some extent (not quite so extreme because less cities), because you need enough pots of gold to buy full sets of chests 2-3 times. But the more cities the better the odds.

You should always include festival manager 3 & shipyard manager 3 in every run for time constraint reasons; level 4 on one, the other, or both can speed up a run, but adds a lot of extra cost to it - so should be minimized.

Other managers are primarily for tasks and automation, and should be minimized with some tasks that require expensive managers skipped. You can take level 1 in each manager at least for automation purposes.

You'll find people's "speed run" strategies lists exactly which members to skip (you may not be going as fast as them, but they've done the math on which tasks are the most wasteful - you want to hit 32+ tasks per city to validate that the speed run in question is going to be suitable for your purpose).

Don't be unlucky and see fragments at least twice (or three times if 10 cities turned out to be too many) ; buy the chests when fragments show - if you get them 3 times you can adjust towards running less cities. (No way to avoid this if under both time constraints and no-spending constraints)

Your odds (assuming 1/3 chance of seeing fragments) can be pulled from this table - 10 cities needing 2 or more sets of fragments is just under 90%:

Towns Completed​
1 or More​
2 or More​
3 or More​
1​
33.33%​
0.00%​
0.00%​
2​
55.56%​
11.11%​
0.00%​
3​
70.37%​
25.93%​
3.70%​
4​
80.25%​
40.74%​
11.11%​
5​
86.83%​
53.91%​
20.99%​
6​
91.22%​
64.88%​
31.96%​
7​
94.15%​
73.66%​
42.94%​
8​
96.10%​
80.49%​
53.18%​
9​
97.40%​
85.69%​
62.28%​
10​
98.27%​
89.60%​
70.09%​
11​
98.84%​
92.49%​
76.59%​
12​
99.23%​
94.60%​
81.89%​
13​
99.49%​
96.15%​
86.13%​
14​
99.66%​
97.26%​
89.47%​
15​
99.77%​
98.06%​
92.06%​
16​
99.85%​
98.63%​
94.06%​
17​
99.90%​
99.04%​
95.58%​
18​
99.93%​
99.32%​
96.74%​
19​
99.95%​
99.53%​
97.60%​
"assuming 1/3"

but what are the results if the chance to get golden fragments only with 20% or 25% ?
 

xivarmy

Overlord
Perk Creator
"assuming 1/3"

but what are the results if the chance to get golden fragments only with 20% or 25% ?
Here's a table for 20%:

Towns/Fragments​
1 or More​
2 or More​
3 or More​
1​
20.00%​
0.00%​
0.00%​
2​
36.00%​
4.00%​
0.00%​
3​
48.80%​
10.40%​
0.80%​
4​
59.04%​
18.08%​
2.72%​
5​
67.23%​
26.27%​
5.79%​
6​
73.79%​
34.46%​
9.89%​
7​
79.03%​
42.33%​
14.80%​
8​
83.22%​
49.67%​
20.31%​
9​
86.58%​
56.38%​
26.18%​
10​
89.26%​
62.42%​
32.22%​
11​
91.41%​
67.79%​
38.26%​
12​
93.13%​
72.51%​
44.17%​
13​
94.50%​
76.64%​
49.83%​
14​
95.60%​
80.21%​
55.19%​
15​
96.48%​
83.29%​
60.20%​
16​
97.19%​
85.93%​
64.82%​
17​
97.75%​
88.18%​
69.04%​
18​
98.20%​
90.09%​
72.87%​
19​
98.56%​
91.71%​
76.31%​
 

Astrid

Baronet
Not sure how they calculated in the first place, but 8.4Q shamrocks is just way too much. They should offer us more flexibility and reduce the required shamrocks number to enter a new city to 5 - 6Q.
 

MooingCat

Viceroy
Spoiler Poster
The 8.4Q balancing was perfectly fine ... until the introduction of the golden kit.

Lowering the finish cost would make things a bit better, but the difference between 4-5 and 8.4 isn't that big.

If they truly wanted to promote flexibility, I think the very best thing would be to remove the golden kit, but beyond that it would be to make the after town fragments a fixed option, similar to druid temple last year. That way you could go for 4-5 cities, picking it up 3+ times, or you could do 10-12 towns, opening a few chests each time hoping to get it cheap. Or anything in between.
 

Xocolatl

Farmer
You're getting very close to slaughtering your cash cow with this balancing.

The one strategy that gives the player a chance to get the full main building is not doable for the average player, and even for many experienced players, it's much too time consuming. With the current balancing, I'll take a break on this one (and possibly on the game, if you really go pay2win with coming events).

I'm not opposed to spending money on the game, and have done so, but only for something extra (2nd building and so on). Not just to avoid ending up with a second rate event building. Call it whatever you want (premium, magic, vip, we-want-you-money-level, ...) - the final level of the building is part of what players expect for finishing the event using a doable strategy.
 

beelzebob666

Overlord
Pathfinder
Spoiler Poster
Lowering the finish cost would make things a bit better, but the difference between 4-5 and 8.4 isn't that big.
the real game changer would be to increase the ships and festivals multiplier for the level 250 by factor of 2 - that way, it would not take ages to level ship/festival to 300 - taking that time down from 16 to 8 hours would help much more

Alternatively just decrease the exponential growth factor for ship/festival a notch...
 

beelzebob666

Overlord
Pathfinder
Spoiler Poster
Now that it is clear that lvl 10 may be achieved even without cash, I feel that it is OK or even appropriate that lvl 10 is so much better than lvl9.

For lvl 9 only 125 tasks are needed (three and a half towns, 3 sets of chests)

Lvl 10 on the other hand requires:
- very much effort (600 tasks - 18 towns) for the 15 fragments from grand prizes
- much effort (300 tasks - 10 towns) and some luck for 5 frags from grand prizes and 10 from chests
- still quite some effort (275 tasks) and cash for the event pass to get the full kit

So effectively, buying the event pass does not even give you an easy lvl 10 - the Golden kit should be (among) the first event pass prize(s) I feel.
 

Ice bear

Squire
Now i ended 4th Town..and 3 times i hade golden segments Druid hut kit. Now i have it..free easy. No diamonds no pay.
 

Kronan

Viceroy
does anyone have a step-by-step instruction to the walktrough of this event?

This is a math-centric event, very immersive if you let it be so. It can get very detailed, and there are no shortages of quality datapoints from many of the reputable members of this beta (and live player) community. This is a multi-path solution. Personally, I've played mostly to this specific design in past years.

I don't know how much "recipe" granularity you're looking for, but start here and then see what you're missing from success:

TY @xivarmy

 
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