Owl II
Emperor
Here are our fights at the moment. Do you think it can be done if we spin on a piece of 20 tiles?
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Discussion Guild Battlegrounds Watchtower and Siege Camp Ability Re-balance
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Finkadel
Marquis
I would hit "really, seriously, over the top like" button, if there was any. My impression exactly...
-Alin-
Emperor
Many people not seeing any comment and post there thought is something broken, not all are familiar with forums and how are working, so they are going after the masses, so it makes sense for them to write here their ideas, because are shown and are more posts also.
bornempire
Steward
Instead of only dragging down the options for GbG: a big improvement could be to give better individual rewards for GvG. There is a great disbalance between those 2 events. However: GvG is most important for ranking.
In many guilds there is less then a handful guild members doing GvG. Even a soloplayer can get a top 20 ranking. That doesn't make sense. Once a larger portion of players per guild sees a good incentive to join GvG the discours will rapidly change.
In many guilds there is less then a handful guild members doing GvG. Even a soloplayer can get a top 20 ranking. That doesn't make sense. Once a larger portion of players per guild sees a good incentive to join GvG the discours will rapidly change.
Owl II
Emperor
This thread will not be taken into account and forwarded to developers, unfortunately. So if someone is not too lazy to write here and duplicate meaningful feedback there, it will be optimal
From everything I've read here or in the live forums, no world has more than 5 or 6 really top GbG guilds.
Why then does Inno not restrict the diamond league to a single grouping?
Only the first would remain in diamond and the best 7 in platinum (by the number of accumulated VPs) would be promoted to diamond.
Why then does Inno not restrict the diamond league to a single grouping?
Only the first would remain in diamond and the best 7 in platinum (by the number of accumulated VPs) would be promoted to diamond.
HunZ95
Squire
Even now, many people are hysterical about the personal rewards. What if they give it even in GvG?
GvG is not that popular because it is only available once a day (many people have dinner time or family life at that time).
The other reason is that it is not available on mobile.
CrashBoom
Legend
the ones with the most VP aren't the best
they just had the worst opponents
and if there are 5-6 really top guilds then why moving all except the 1st down ?
so those 6 would have to stay in top league and get 2 new victims every new season
Pericles the Lion
Emperor
I have read every one of your posts on this thread, and many of them on others. I do not know if it is nature, or nurture, but you seem to have difficulty engaging in polite discourse with anyone that does not share your point of view. Invariably, you become defensive and then resort to insults. Your reply, above, is a case on point. No need to reply as I no longer care to better understand your point of view.
Owl II
Emperor
It would make sense like in the beginning. Everyone aspired to get into this group of death because it was prestigious. This gave more rewards. This gave more ranking. But everything went awry when all the more or less playing guilds got to the diamond. There's nothing to fight for. There is nothing to divide. It remains only to farm, But not everyone can farm the same way. Hence all the problems
Owl II
Emperor
Hallelujah!
Thus two guilds cannot "arrange" to keep the first places and block the others.
The single diamond league ranking would be very important.
@Pericles the Lion : Do like me, so you will find more tranquility.
This screenshot is just an example not an invitation to ignore YOU, I already do that with an unpleasant person and I feel better for it.
This screenshot is just an example not an invitation to ignore YOU, I already do that with an unpleasant person and I feel better for it.
Pericles the Lion
Emperor
Thanks for an excellent suggestion!
Shalimar the Brave
Merchant
Since I'm on the same map (and in the same guild as you), I know the answer. Neither red nor pink is strong enough to compete on this map. Since we have decided to only swap rings 1-3 and use rings 4 and 5 for "snacking" because R4 has extremely poor camp support, they have asked for our blessing to take R4 tiles. In some cases they are asking us to hold R4 tiles so they can take them because even if we don't have camp support on those tiles we can take them much more quickly and easily than they can. I suspect if the nerf were in place on this map we would still be swapping rings 1-3 with our partner, we just wouldn't be triple forting and double dipping X1. We are accommodating the smaller guilds as much as we can. Not all big guilds are monsters
-Alin-
Emperor
GGB known by vastly many people since 2020 was wayy too powerfull and broken in that actual condition ...
It could have been nice if the prenerf was doing from the very beggining, not now after 2 Years in which people were transformed in little greedy mosnters sitting nearly all day long even nights to grind every little sector on 96% or 100%, people get used for 2 years on how the GbG went and how powerfull it was, now its gonna be hard teaching them again with less rewards, not to mention the time and things they invested into their cities to get higher stats, thats the main concern of top players, all is in vain now for them, and smaller players will not have the possibility to get so many things regarding their activity in GbG on 0% sectors as others did before the nerf, either way is chosen, a considerable part of players will „suffer” anyway.
After seeing lots of feedacks and discussions how things are going in beta and how long are taking for sectors to be taken, GbG is annoying now but less time consuming as before.
I did my best and all I succeeded in doing this round and previous round was underwhelming compared to what it was in the past, not to mention each day I fought with at least 120 attrition minimum and lost few hundreds of units in all of this time, this is just for me and other top tier players, medium and smaller players aren't able to reach our number of fights no matter how much are they trying.
The only difference I have noticed is we get less fights and more people are pushing their attrition to their limits to gather more ...
Previous round results:
Last round results:
To mention in my results, no one swapped, no coordination, just sectors were taken from each other and we haven't deleted any siege camps nor watch tower, we let the chance to everyone to take sectors from us untill we taken them back before and so on till the end of the round.
So, I have come to the conclusion, Increase the cap from 66.6% to 80%.
Siege Camp:
Watchtower:
Indiferently how many camps and watch towers are being built, the maximum possible it is 80%.
The 30% on the first camp will improve a bit the possibility of other guilds to get less attrition and take the sectors adjanced to their HQ untill the matchmaking will be fixed and improved, if this is going to happen anyway in the near future ...
Now, another thing that is needed to be done, to make the stronger people a bit „happy” and not sad from the nerf and ofcourse their hard work on their stats to be worthy.
Gradually increase in function of attrition the rewards:
Calculating now the results and rewards, for 75% average camps for the whole round, a top tier player that will be able to get at 120 attrition every day.
-Rewards for one day will be for one day:
Each fight is roughly 1.75 forge points and .25 diamonds in both archipelago maps(according on the averages made in the long run, not on my previous rounds)
>100 is till 120 attrition, thats why the 85 fights there.
In this way, people that worked hard to gain higher stats will have roughly 1k fps per day according to their activity and the possibility to fight on at least 75% sectors, 80% being pretty limited and expensive in goods.
And it will not be boring and tedious to be done as before, and it will not give the chance to higher players to get 2-3 thousands fps/day as before with 100% reduction and ofcourse the other players in the guild will have the chance to get something too, not only the 5-10 ultra active players, also ranking points will be drastically reduced too, peope with higher stats will have the most fights in that round according to their activity also, so now the quote from the beggining of GBG in beta it will be eligible „higher the stats better the rewards” ...
This is just my point of view of things right now and the adjustments which are needed to make GbG decent, not powerfull and not broken.
Regarding matchmaking, there were other players that had in mind and posted their ideas on how to fix it, I DO hope all of these feedbacks are taken into account ...
P.S: I am pretty sure InnoGames don't want to revert GBG anymore as it was before ...
Also posted in the feedback thread!
It could have been nice if the prenerf was doing from the very beggining, not now after 2 Years in which people were transformed in little greedy mosnters sitting nearly all day long even nights to grind every little sector on 96% or 100%, people get used for 2 years on how the GbG went and how powerfull it was, now its gonna be hard teaching them again with less rewards, not to mention the time and things they invested into their cities to get higher stats, thats the main concern of top players, all is in vain now for them, and smaller players will not have the possibility to get so many things regarding their activity in GbG on 0% sectors as others did before the nerf, either way is chosen, a considerable part of players will „suffer” anyway.
After seeing lots of feedacks and discussions how things are going in beta and how long are taking for sectors to be taken, GbG is annoying now but less time consuming as before.
I did my best and all I succeeded in doing this round and previous round was underwhelming compared to what it was in the past, not to mention each day I fought with at least 120 attrition minimum and lost few hundreds of units in all of this time, this is just for me and other top tier players, medium and smaller players aren't able to reach our number of fights no matter how much are they trying.
The only difference I have noticed is we get less fights and more people are pushing their attrition to their limits to gather more ...
Previous round results:
Last round results:
So, I have come to the conclusion, Increase the cap from 66.6% to 80%.
Siege Camp:
| First camp | Second camp | Third Camp | Fourth Camp | Fifth and last camp |
| 30% | 20% | 15% | 10% | 5% |
Watchtower:
| First Tower | Second Tower | Third Tower | Fourth Tower |
| 8% | 6% | 4% | 2% |
Indiferently how many camps and watch towers are being built, the maximum possible it is 80%.
The 30% on the first camp will improve a bit the possibility of other guilds to get less attrition and take the sectors adjanced to their HQ untill the matchmaking will be fixed and improved, if this is going to happen anyway in the near future ...
Now, another thing that is needed to be done, to make the stronger people a bit „happy” and not sad from the nerf and ofcourse their hard work on their stats to be worthy.
Gradually increase in function of attrition the rewards:
| Below 60 attrition | After 60 attrition | After 100 attrition | After 130 attrition |
| No increase, rewards as before. | 15% increase in rewards | 25% increase in rewards | 50% increase in rewards |
Calculating now the results and rewards, for 75% average camps for the whole round, a top tier player that will be able to get at 120 attrition every day.
-Rewards for one day will be for one day:
| <60 attrition | >60 attirtion | >100 attrition | Total |
| ~240 fights(rewards as usual) | ~175 fights(+15% rewards) | ~85 fights(+25% rewards) | ~500 fights |
| ~420 fps/~61 diamonds | ~352 fps/~50 diamonds | ~186 fps/~26 diamonds | ~958 fps/~137 diamonds |
>100 is till 120 attrition, thats why the 85 fights there.
In this way, people that worked hard to gain higher stats will have roughly 1k fps per day according to their activity and the possibility to fight on at least 75% sectors, 80% being pretty limited and expensive in goods.
And it will not be boring and tedious to be done as before, and it will not give the chance to higher players to get 2-3 thousands fps/day as before with 100% reduction and ofcourse the other players in the guild will have the chance to get something too, not only the 5-10 ultra active players, also ranking points will be drastically reduced too, peope with higher stats will have the most fights in that round according to their activity also, so now the quote from the beggining of GBG in beta it will be eligible „higher the stats better the rewards” ...
This is just my point of view of things right now and the adjustments which are needed to make GbG decent, not powerfull and not broken.
Regarding matchmaking, there were other players that had in mind and posted their ideas on how to fix it, I DO hope all of these feedbacks are taken into account ...
P.S: I am pretty sure InnoGames don't want to revert GBG anymore as it was before ...
Also posted in the feedback thread!
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MJ Artisan of War
Baronet
Nice ideas..... but most players can't fight to 60 attrition.... let alone 100 attrition....
Maybe in a few more years... if FOE survives a few more years that is....
Maybe in a few more years... if FOE survives a few more years that is....
jovada
Regent
And is'nt that the idea to work up att/def so you can afford more attrition ? They still can pick their moment to fight when there is low attrition with the camps , that way they still can do more fights then a player that can afford 120 attrition but has to fight on a full sector without camps
knarre sbeat
Merchant
I hear the argument about investet in city for GbG more and more, i can only laugh about it.
Attack and Defense for the attacking troops is nothing i persue only becouse of GbG, Me and many others wouldve focused on Attack buildings with or without GbG, thats really not an argument.
You wanna tell me without GbG everyone had a pure Fp cities all over, thats delusional.