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[Beta King]

just for curiosity, how many diamonds for each expansion? so that I can start accumulating them ...

How many diamond expansions are offered? And also is there any in the cont. map?

 

[CrashBoom]

How many diamond expansions are offered?

the announcement says 12

16 new expansions

• 12 premium expansions
• 2 tech tree expansions
• 1 campaign expansion
• 1 Victory expansion

 

[Hiep Lin]

what does the Ark look like?
Other players can take places with goods and profit from goods?

or is it just to unlock the level?

 

[Emberguard]

what does the Ark look like?
Other players can take places with goods and profit from goods?

or is it just to unlock the level?

Only thing goods do is unlock access to the level

 

[CrashBoom]

or is it just to unlock the level?

just unlocking

players then donate FP like in all other GB

Is it possible to mark the items for main city differently from those meant for colony?
It think this was so in previous era

in the tech tree colony things have a titan planet in the upper left corner (on browser):

 

[MagicNess]

the announcement says 12

Price of the first premium one is ?

 

[varikor]

Okay, I created a table for estimating the FP values of each level. I had to come up with some interesting methods. Initially I thought I could take the increase from FI > Core and use that to estimate, but these SAT GBs are MILES higher then anything before. Instead, I looked at the trends instead. Generally GBs level cost beyond level 12 grows at a small exponential rate, and since we know values for up to level 13, assuming level cost follows existing mechanics, then my math for that should be roughly correct. The other piece of data is the P1 value. That one grows at a decreasing exponential rate, so I assumed the rate between AI Core and this one will be the same to get that data. P2-P5 are simply mathematical functions of P1 on all GBs.
Specifically P2 = P1/2, P3 = P2/3, P4 = P3/4, P5 = P4/4. Plus some rounding to make it a multiple of 5. Anyways, I expect these numbers to be roughly accurate. But we will need more data to get a better picture. Ps. if you wanna see the whole mess its in the second sheet on the google doc I posted earlier. I'll also estimate the values for the other 2 GBs a bit later.

Spoiler

Level	Cent Lvl Cost	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5	Net (1.9)	Sum Of Cost
1	230	10	5	0	0	0	201	201
2	350	20	10	5	0	0	283	484
3	660	30	15	5	0	0	564	1,048
4	1330	45	25	10	5	0	1167	2,215
5	1680	60	30	10	5	0	1480	3,695
6	2080	75	40	15	5	0	1822	5,517
7	2460	95	50	15	5	0	2145	7,662
8	2880	110	55	20	5	0	2518	10,180
9	3250	130	65	20	5	0	2831	13,011
10	3352	145	75	25	5	0	2875	15,886
11	3415	165	85	30	10	0	2863	18,749
12	3480	205	105	35	10	0	2804	21,553
13	3547	220	110	35	10	0	2834	24,387
14	3616	245	125	40	10	0	2817	27,204
15	3687	270	135	45	10	0	2812	30,016
16	3760	295	150	50	15	5	2780	32,796
17	3835	320	160	55	15	5	2779	35,575
18	3912	345	175	60	15	5	2770	38,345
19	3991	370	185	60	15	5	2783	41,128
20	4072	395	200	65	15	5	2778	43,906
21	4155	420	210	70	20	5	2777	46,683
22	4240	445	225	75	20	5	2775	49,458
23	4327	470	235	80	20	5	2787	52,245
24	4416	495	250	85	20	5	2790	55,035
25	4507	525	265	90	25	5	2776	57,811
26	4600	550	275	90	25	5	2803	60,614
27	4695	575	290	95	25	5	2812	63,426
28	4792	600	300	100	25	5	2834	66,260
29	4891	630	315	105	25	5	2837	69,097
30	4992	655	330	110	30	5	2844	71,941
31	5096	685	345	115	30	5	2852	74,793
32	5203	710	355	120	30	5	2884	77,677
33	5313	740	370	125	30	5	2899	80,576
34	5426	765	385	130	35	5	2916	83,492
35	5542	795	400	135	35	5	2937	86,429
36	5661	820	410	135	35	5	2990	89,419
37	5783	850	425	140	35	5	3017	92,436
38	5908	880	440	145	35	5	3047	95,483
39	6036	905	455	150	40	10	3071	98,554
40	6167	935	470	155	40	10	3107	101,661
41	6301	965	485	160	40	10	3146	104,807
42	6438	990	495	165	40	10	3207	108,014
43	6578	1020	510	170	45	10	3243	111,257
44	6721	1050	525	175	45	10	3290	114,547
45	6868	1080	540	180	45	10	3343	117,890
46	7019	1110	555	185	45	10	3398	121,288
47	7174	1135	570	190	50	10	3459	124,747
48	7333	1165	585	195	50	10	3522	128,269
49	7496	1195	600	200	50	10	3591	131,860
50	7663	1225	615	205	50	10	3662	135,522
51	7834	1255	630	210	55	10	3729	139,251
52	8009	1285	645	215	55	10	3808	143,059
53	8188	1315	660	220	55	10	3893	146,952
54	8371	1345	675	225	55	10	3980	150,932
55	8559	1375	690	230	60	10	4065	154,997
56	8752	1405	705	235	60	10	4162	159,159
57	8950	1435	720	240	60	10	4266	163,425
58	9153	1465	735	245	60	10	4373	167,798
59	9361	1495	750	250	65	15	4467	172,265
60	9574	1525	765	255	65	15	4584	176,849
61	9792	1555	780	260	65	15	4708	181,557
62	10015	1585	795	265	65	15	4835	186,392
63	10244	1615	810	270	70	15	4961	191,353
64	10479	1650	825	275	70	15	5091	196,444
65	10720	1680	840	280	70	15	5238	201,682
66	10967	1710	855	285	70	15	5389	207,071
67	11220	1740	870	290	75	15	5538	212,609
68	11479	1775	890	295	75	15	5682	218,291
69	11744	1805	905	300	75	15	5852	224,143
70	12016	1835	920	305	75	15	6029	230,172
71	12295	1865	935	310	80	15	6204	236,376
72	12581	1895	950	315	80	15	6395	242,771
73	12874	1930	965	320	80	15	6584	249,355
74	13174	1960	980	325	80	15	6789	256,144
75	13481	1995	1000	335	85	15	6962	263,106
76	13796	2025	1015	340	85	15	7182	270,288
77	14119	2055	1030	345	85	15	7410	277,698
78	14450	2090	1045	350	90	20	7619	285,317
79	14789	2120	1060	355	90	20	7863	293,180
80	15136	2150	1075	360	90	20	8115	301,295
81	15492	2185	1095	365	90	20	8356	309,651
82	15857	2215	1110	370	95	20	8617	318,268
83	16231	2250	1125	375	95	20	8886	327,154
84	16614	2280	1140	380	95	20	9175	336,329
85	17007	2315	1160	385	95	20	9453	345,782
86	17410	2345	1175	390	100	20	9752	355,534
87	17823	2375	1190	395	100	20	10070	365,604
88	18246	2410	1205	400	100	20	10389	375,993
89	18680	2440	1220	405	100	20	10728	386,721
90	19125	2475	1240	415	105	20	11039	397,760
91	19581	2510	1255	420	105	20	11391	409,151
92	20048	2540	1270	425	105	20	11763	420,914
93	20527	2575	1290	430	110	20	12119	433,033
94	21018	2605	1305	435	110	20	12514	445,547
95	21521	2640	1320	440	110	20	12914	458,461
96	22037	2670	1335	445	110	20	13334	471,795
97	22566	2705	1355	450	115	25	13729	485,524
98	23108	2740	1370	455	115	25	14167	499,691
99	23664	2770	1385	460	115	25	14628	514,319
100	24234	2805	1405	470	120	25	15065	529,384

 

[Karl Stgt]

Think 2400 first

 

[Dessire]

Dude, you literally destroy the great buildings with your boosts apart for second one that gives units too.

explain how they would be destroyed.

 

[xivarmy]

explain how they would be destroyed.

People don't want bottle shards over a permanent bonus. Particularly given that you can possibly get all the bottle shards you want from Summer Event buildings.

Nor are extra 1-ups/renos something in high demand. There might be some people that want them but very few.

Meanwhile you've suggested stripping most of the permanent military bonuses that are the primary interest in the buildings for many (only leaving them on one building).

 

[ArklurBeta]

Okay, I created a table for estimating the FP values of each level...

Those numbers seem to be waaay off. How did you come up with those numbers? Unless Inno changed something, cost increase above lvl10, if I remember right, is about 1.025 between each level. Based on a few numbers on AIC, that...seems correct.

In your tables, the multiplier in some levels are way above that, 1.05 or even 1.08.

 

[-Alin-]

explain how they would be destroyed.

You have always did the same, came with ideas only usefull for you and your playstile, never cared about other players, also why would I want fragments from a great building, I mean, wt... we have already a lot of them from lots of buildings. These permanent buildings are better in my opinion, also are very powerfull great buildings for their footprint.

 

[AllamHRK]

Okay, I created a table for estimating the FP values of each level. I had to come up with some interesting methods. Initially I thought I could take the increase from FI > Core and use that to estimate, but these SAT GBs are MILES higher then anything before. Instead, I looked at the trends instead. Generally GBs level cost beyond level 12 grows at a small exponential rate, and since we know values for up to level 13, assuming level cost follows existing mechanics, then my math for that should be roughly correct. The other piece of data is the P1 value. That one grows at a decreasing exponential rate, so I assumed the rate between AI Core and this one will be the same to get that data. P2-P5 are simply mathematical functions of P1 on all GBs.
Specifically P2 = P1/2, P3 = P2/3, P4 = P3/4, P5 = P4/4. Plus some rounding to make it a multiple of 5. Anyways, I expect these numbers to be roughly accurate. But we will need more data to get a better picture. Ps. if you wanna see the whole mess its in the second sheet on the google doc I posted earlier. I'll also estimate the values for the other 2 GBs a bit later.

Spoiler

Level	Cent Lvl Cost	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5	Net (1.9)	Sum Of Cost
1	230	10	5	0	0	0	201	201
2	350	20	10	5	0	0	283	484
3	660	30	15	5	0	0	564	1,048
4	1330	45	25	10	5	0	1167	2,215
5	1680	60	30	10	5	0	1480	3,695
6	2080	75	40	15	5	0	1822	5,517
7	2460	95	50	15	5	0	2145	7,662
8	2880	110	55	20	5	0	2518	10,180
9	3250	130	65	20	5	0	2831	13,011
10	3352	145	75	25	5	0	2875	15,886
11	3415	165	85	30	10	0	2863	18,749
12	3480	205	105	35	10	0	2804	21,553
13	3547	220	110	35	10	0	2834	24,387
14	3616	245	125	40	10	0	2817	27,204
15	3687	270	135	45	10	0	2812	30,016
16	3760	295	150	50	15	5	2780	32,796
17	3835	320	160	55	15	5	2779	35,575
18	3912	345	175	60	15	5	2770	38,345
19	3991	370	185	60	15	5	2783	41,128
20	4072	395	200	65	15	5	2778	43,906
21	4155	420	210	70	20	5	2777	46,683
22	4240	445	225	75	20	5	2775	49,458
23	4327	470	235	80	20	5	2787	52,245
24	4416	495	250	85	20	5	2790	55,035
25	4507	525	265	90	25	5	2776	57,811
26	4600	550	275	90	25	5	2803	60,614
27	4695	575	290	95	25	5	2812	63,426
28	4792	600	300	100	25	5	2834	66,260
29	4891	630	315	105	25	5	2837	69,097
30	4992	655	330	110	30	5	2844	71,941
31	5096	685	345	115	30	5	2852	74,793
32	5203	710	355	120	30	5	2884	77,677
33	5313	740	370	125	30	5	2899	80,576
34	5426	765	385	130	35	5	2916	83,492
35	5542	795	400	135	35	5	2937	86,429
36	5661	820	410	135	35	5	2990	89,419
37	5783	850	425	140	35	5	3017	92,436
38	5908	880	440	145	35	5	3047	95,483
39	6036	905	455	150	40	10	3071	98,554
40	6167	935	470	155	40	10	3107	101,661
41	6301	965	485	160	40	10	3146	104,807
42	6438	990	495	165	40	10	3207	108,014
43	6578	1020	510	170	45	10	3243	111,257
44	6721	1050	525	175	45	10	3290	114,547
45	6868	1080	540	180	45	10	3343	117,890
46	7019	1110	555	185	45	10	3398	121,288
47	7174	1135	570	190	50	10	3459	124,747
48	7333	1165	585	195	50	10	3522	128,269
49	7496	1195	600	200	50	10	3591	131,860
50	7663	1225	615	205	50	10	3662	135,522
51	7834	1255	630	210	55	10	3729	139,251
52	8009	1285	645	215	55	10	3808	143,059
53	8188	1315	660	220	55	10	3893	146,952
54	8371	1345	675	225	55	10	3980	150,932
55	8559	1375	690	230	60	10	4065	154,997
56	8752	1405	705	235	60	10	4162	159,159
57	8950	1435	720	240	60	10	4266	163,425
58	9153	1465	735	245	60	10	4373	167,798
59	9361	1495	750	250	65	15	4467	172,265
60	9574	1525	765	255	65	15	4584	176,849
61	9792	1555	780	260	65	15	4708	181,557
62	10015	1585	795	265	65	15	4835	186,392
63	10244	1615	810	270	70	15	4961	191,353
64	10479	1650	825	275	70	15	5091	196,444
65	10720	1680	840	280	70	15	5238	201,682
66	10967	1710	855	285	70	15	5389	207,071
67	11220	1740	870	290	75	15	5538	212,609
68	11479	1775	890	295	75	15	5682	218,291
69	11744	1805	905	300	75	15	5852	224,143
70	12016	1835	920	305	75	15	6029	230,172
71	12295	1865	935	310	80	15	6204	236,376
72	12581	1895	950	315	80	15	6395	242,771
73	12874	1930	965	320	80	15	6584	249,355
74	13174	1960	980	325	80	15	6789	256,144
75	13481	1995	1000	335	85	15	6962	263,106
76	13796	2025	1015	340	85	15	7182	270,288
77	14119	2055	1030	345	85	15	7410	277,698
78	14450	2090	1045	350	90	20	7619	285,317
79	14789	2120	1060	355	90	20	7863	293,180
80	15136	2150	1075	360	90	20	8115	301,295
81	15492	2185	1095	365	90	20	8356	309,651
82	15857	2215	1110	370	95	20	8617	318,268
83	16231	2250	1125	375	95	20	8886	327,154
84	16614	2280	1140	380	95	20	9175	336,329
85	17007	2315	1160	385	95	20	9453	345,782
86	17410	2345	1175	390	100	20	9752	355,534
87	17823	2375	1190	395	100	20	10070	365,604
88	18246	2410	1205	400	100	20	10389	375,993
89	18680	2440	1220	405	100	20	10728	386,721
90	19125	2475	1240	415	105	20	11039	397,760
91	19581	2510	1255	420	105	20	11391	409,151
92	20048	2540	1270	425	105	20	11763	420,914
93	20527	2575	1290	430	110	20	12119	433,033
94	21018	2605	1305	435	110	20	12514	445,547
95	21521	2640	1320	440	110	20	12914	458,461
96	22037	2670	1335	445	110	20	13334	471,795
97	22566	2705	1355	450	115	25	13729	485,524
98	23108	2740	1370	455	115	25	14167	499,691
99	23664	2770	1385	460	115	25	14628	514,319
100	24234	2805	1405	470	120	25	15065	529,384

That doesn't make any sense... (but there's no doubt that InnoGames would do something like that) come on...

From 1 to 100 it costs 17.5 million FPs...

Consider a top player who collects 3,000 FPs per day (between city, CBG, and everything in between)...

It would take ONLY 5,800 days, i.e. about 16 years to reach level 100.

I hope this is really wrong, but like I said, there's no doubt that InnoGames would do something like this....

 

[xivarmy]

That doesn't make any sense... (but there's no doubt that InnoGames would do something like that) come on...

From 1 to 100 it costs 17.5 million FPs...

Consider a top player who collects 3,000 FPs per day (between city, CBG, and everything in between)...

It would take ONLY 5,800 days, i.e. about 16 years to reach level 100.

I hope this is really wrong, but like I said, there's no doubt that InnoGames would do something like this....

His 2nd column is the 1.025* increase. His last columns are after taking into account savings from 1.9-levelling (which tend to decrease at very high levels because the FP payouts don't even come close to keeping up with the cost increases)

Note that to be better than a Zeus-100 in bonus only takes ~level 20.

Level 100s will be projects for those arc 180 nutters (which costs ~1.6M - so they've done it before FPwise - but now they also have to come up with a ton of goods)

 

[DEADP00L]

From 1 to 100 it costs 17.5 million FPs...

If the figures of Varikor are close to reality, it would cost 529,000 FP and not 17.5 million!

And a little less with investors who would bet much more than 1.9 to obtain the much sought-after plans.

In your opinion, having a 180 arch cost how many FP?
(1,632,776 FP in 1.9 and yet there is no shortage of arches of this level on all servers)

 

[kafidav]

I have a bug no access to the new titan card?

 

[varikor]

Yep, the Net 1.9 column are for the level cost. The sum cost is sum cost to reach that level. Like deadpool said with it being 529K.

 

[DEADP00L]

I hesitate to give constructive opinions on this new era, lest Inno modify them.
But one thing that I like is the cost in goods for each level.
This will prevent seeing Pegasus, Hydra and Centaurus on Iron Age cities and even a plethora from the first week.
I even find the cost in goods, very underestimated, proof once again that the developers do not know their game.
Without abusing recurring, my city produces more than 4,000 goods per day. And I'm not talking about gold...
However, I like the direction that Inno takes by making certain elements very useful that will force us to adopt certain strategies to never run out of them with these exponential expenses.
I just hope it's a small step towards a future where other elements will in turn have more importance (tavern money, antique money, medals, supplies, goods from several previous ages, special goods, ...)

 

[xivarmy]

Without abusing recurring, my city produces more than 4,000 goods per day. And I'm not talking about gold...

Thing is how well can you scale that up further? Meanwhile each additional level costs more. And it adds up.

Level 60 of all 3 will run you north of 1.5M goods. At 4000 a day that's 375 days of production. Sounds like it should last about as long as the era to get that far.

 

[varikor]

Those numbers seem to be waaay off. How did you come up with those numbers? Unless Inno changed something, cost increase above lvl10, if I remember right, is about 1.025 between each level. Based on a few numbers on AIC, that...seems correct.

In your tables, the multiplier in some levels are way above that, 1.05 or even 1.08.

I am looking at the level and the base rewards. The values Inno decides on are the level cost and the P1 cost. Things like 1.9 or P2-P5 are functions of those things. The increase in level cost is correlated strongly to the previous level beyond level 12. And grows ever so slightly exponentially. I made that grow at the exact same rate as AI Core (which happens to be basically the same as FI as well). The P1 grows in an exponentially decreasing quantity, but its rounded to the nearest 5. I forced that to grow at the same rate that AI Core grows. I did take the increase of the individual level, perhaps I should've taken an average of levels within 2. However, the column about AI Cores P1 growth was pretty stable so I felt it was alright to use. Once again though this is speculation still. I'm assuming they continue the approximate curves every other GB has. But its entirly possible that they do something very unique. Even so, the fact that it reaches nearly 3K by level 13 (for certain) should indicate we arent gonna see any levels worth anywhere close to 50-300FP like some have.