Avoid Use Of Third-Party Software ?

[esoterism]

Hi,
Regarding your post :
Avoid Use Of Third-Party Software
Currently, there are many third-party resources that are available to players. However, these are not produced by InnoGames, and we do not recommend their use.
One of the main reasons for this, is that use of third-party software has proven to cause login issues, as well as technical issues. Forge of Empires is a game ongoing in development, and we develop based on the conditions of normal players that use the first-hand services we provide. This can mean, if you have third-party software installed, that you may encounter technical complications a player without these will not.
Additionally, and most notably, use of third-party software could be considered a breach of our terms and conditions. We reserve the right to suspend any account that we detect using this software.
Certainly, if you would like to avoid potentially being banned — or encountering technical complications that could hamper your experience — we would avoid installing any third-party Forge of Empires software.

AND the comments here :

What is the FOE position regarding these comments as far as each of the Third-Party Software commented into this video?
Foe-Power ? the video says it is cheating, do you agree ?
Foe-Info ? the video says it is not cheating, do you agree ?
Foe-Helper ? the video says it is not cheating, do you agree ?
Foe-Commander ? the video says it is not cheating, do you agree ?
Last three are commented as not cheating but rather quality-of-life add-on.

Can you please clarify your position ?

Regards

 

[Goldra]

Foe-power os cheating. Something that makes you faster than others in a pvp way is unfair. This and auto-click scripts have been used for GVG, GBG and do unlimited battles with recurring quests. Inno llimited the recurring quests to avoid this. In GBG, one player cheating vs 20 players has no option. But in GVG, where a few players can play, cheaters win. If Inno allows mobile players to enter GVG, this will change. But they think GVG its an old feature and they dont listen any suggestion to make it better.
About the others applications, they give us info that game doenst want to give us. We have asked for these but they dont want to hear. These scripts was nerfed time ago by Inno. Inno asked to the developers of these scripts to nerf some features that give us advantage, and they nerfed it.
So, Inno knows very well about these scripts, and controll them. If they create a feature that give us advantage, they ask for nerf it. For foe-power and autoclick scripts, they have a little impact on the game. Where they make a high difference is with unlimited recurring quest battles (nerfed) and GVG (forgoten).

 

[esoterism]

I assume that no FOE staff will reply to this question ever.

 

[xivarmy]

Inno's position is that none of the addons that directly modify the game as you see it are *permitted*.

FoE-Helper is not "ok". It's just not so bad that they've gone after people for it. If inno wanted the information it provides built into the game, they could add them.

 

[Darrth Eugene Vader3]

What about https://foe.tools/ ?

 

[Emberguard]

Same position it's always been. This isn't anything new, it's just reiterating Inno's position that they've been telling players for at least the last 2 years. If you're using anything that requires installing something onto your browser it's at your own risk

What about https://foe.tools/ ?

That would be perfectly fine. Inno's post was in regards to the security of your account. The website you're referring to isn't accessing anything on your account

 

[talamanta]

What about https://foe.tools/ ?

is really useful
for anyone who wants to see some statistics
but there is a better website about statistics and generally the FOE

https://foestats.com/

but can someone explain to me
if the specific website officially belongs to INNO or not
if no
how and where he finds it
the data for the tables;
which only the official inno can have

SORRY FOR THE ENGLISH
IT IS BY AUTOMATIC TRANSLATION
The text in Greek

ειναι οντως χρησιμο
για οποιον θελει να δει καποια στατιστικα
υπαρχει ομως μια πιο καλυτερη ιστοσελιδα σχετικα με τα στατιστικα και γενικα το ΦΟΕ

https://foestats.com/

ομως μπορει καποιος να μου εξηγησει
εαν η συγκεκριμενη ιστοσελιδα ανηκει επισημα στην INNO 'η οχι
εαν οχι
πως και απο που βρισκει
τα στοιχεια για τους πινακες ?
τα οποια μονο η επισημη INNO μπορει να τα εχει

 

[Darrth Eugene Vader3]

https://foestats.com/ but can someone explain to me
if the specific website officially belongs to INNO or not
if no
how and where he finds it
the data for the tables;
which only the official inno can have

1. Foestats.com or Forge DB is not from Inno Games, it is an 3rd party site.
2. Foestats.com downloads data from FOE servers (...from within FOE...) to publish the statistics in their tables, it is like one or two days behind (... usually updated every 24 hours ...) vs actual live servers data. They have an agreement with Inno Games to download the data, it is not a hacking operation.
1. Το Foestats.com ή το Forge DB δεν είναι από την Inno Games, είναι ιστότοπος τρίτου μέρους.
2. Το Foestats.com πραγματοποιεί λήψη δεδομένων από διακομιστές FOE (...από το FOE...) για να δημοσιεύσει τα στατιστικά στοιχεία στους πίνακές τους, είναι σαν μία ή δύο ημέρες πίσω (... συνήθως ενημερώνεται κάθε 24 ώρες ...) έναντι των πραγματικών ζωντανών δεδομένων διακομιστών. Έχουν μια συμφωνία με την Inno Games για τη λήψη των δεδομένων, δεν πρόκειται για επιχείρηση εισβολής.


Partial information from the "About Us" screen at Forge DB: https://foestats.com/about-us.php
Μερικές πληροφορίες από την οθόνη "About Us" στο Forge DB:

https://foestats.com/about-us.php

Forge of Empires, FOE, and all associated trademarks and content belong to InnoGames GmbH.
ForgeDB is an unofficial 3rd party site, and is not directly affiliated with InnoGames.

ForgeDB displays Player, Guild, and Great Buildings statistics generated from within Forge of Empires with the ability to sort and search easily. Data is not real-time and is usually updated every 24 hours, but may vary from server to server. Low-ranking and/or inactive Players are not reported.

Το Forge of Empires, το FOE και όλα τα σχετικά εμπορικά σήματα και περιεχόμενο ανήκουν στην InnoGames GmbH.
Το ForgeDB είναι ένας ανεπίσημος ιστότοπος τρίτου μέρους και δεν συνδέεται άμεσα με την InnoGames.

Το ForgeDB εμφανίζει στατιστικά στοιχεία Player, Guild και Great Buildings που δημιουργούνται από το Forge of Empires με δυνατότητα εύκολης ταξινόμησης και αναζήτησης. Τα δεδομένα δεν είναι σε πραγματικό χρόνο και συνήθως ενημερώνονται κάθε 24 ώρες, αλλά μπορεί να διαφέρουν από διακομιστή σε διακομιστή. Δεν αναφέρονται παίκτες χαμηλής κατάταξης και/ή ανενεργοί.

 

[UBERhelp1]

Speaking specifically to those saying that Inno is trying to nerf the effect of extensions, it's not necessarily bad that they are doing that. They are trying to make the game more fair for all players, and they don't want certain players getting an unfair advantage over others.

There's only three options Inno could take: do nothing, and let scripts run rampant; create their own alternatives inside the game which would imbalance it; or find ways to make the extensions/scripts less effective in the game. They chose the only option that's sensible, short of somehow encoding all the game data so extensions and such can't read it.

Additionally, since Inno doesn't directly control the devs of the addons/extensions, they can't give a blanket statement of "these ones are ok and these aren't" since the devs could update those extensions at any time to no longer fit within the terms of service and game rules, thus becoming a bannable offense. The only way Inno can for sure tell players that they won't get banned for using third party software is if that software is never used at all.

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Now, whether or not you agree with the choices Inno made is up to you. I'm just trying to explain more of their point of view, not either endorsing nor disagreeing with it. Basically, for those who like to say that Inno is consistently trying to hurt the player, maybe take a step back and see it from the game's perspective.

 

[iPenguinPat]

Speaking specifically to those saying that Inno is trying to nerf the effect of extensions, it's not necessarily bad that they are doing that. They are trying to make the game more fair for all players, and they don't want certain players getting an unfair advantage over others.

There's only three options Inno could take: do nothing, and let scripts run rampant; create their own alternatives inside the game which would imbalance it; or find ways to make the extensions/scripts less effective in the game. They chose the only option that's sensible, short of somehow encoding all the game data so extensions and such can't read it.

Additionally, since Inno doesn't directly control the devs of the addons/extensions, they can't give a blanket statement of "these ones are ok and these aren't" since the devs could update those extensions at any time to no longer fit within the terms of service and game rules, thus becoming a bannable offense. The only way Inno can for sure tell players that they won't get banned for using third party software is if that software is never used at all.

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Now, whether or not you agree with the choices Inno made is up to you. I'm just trying to explain more of their point of view, not either endorsing nor disagreeing with it. Basically, for those who like to say that Inno is consistently trying to hurt the player, maybe take a step back and see it from the game's perspective.

Plenty of games have third party extensions that are allowed. Some even encourage the use to customize player experience.

Why not have approved versions and say anything outside of those versions is at your own risk?

Or bring in those devs to add those features since they are highly desired (100,000 users, for example)...?

Looking at user actions is a much more reliable way to identify players using cheats. If cheaters have to slow down those scripts at the risk of being caught, the unfair advantage is significantly reduced.

Logs are already there. Just need to analyze them. It's kind of sad that something so simple is being overlooked (fighting bots) while something that doesn't provide a true competitive advantage (helper) might end up being targeted despite trying to remain within the rules.

 

[an inhabitant of carcosa]

Plenty of games have third party extensions that are allowed. Some even encourage the use to customize player experience.

And this game does not. End of story. :shrug: