Implemented ONE button Aiding

[miSc]

So...

When are we getting a global AID button?
"One button to rule them all"... you might put it.. lol

I have played this game since 2012 on live servers, and I remember the PAIN it was before the current aiding system.
We use to have to go into each player's city, and manually choose to either polish or motivate specific buildings.
Then came the more simplified aiding feature, clicking underneath the player name.
It helped a great deal, but my fingers are getting tired...

Playing like most players do in both a live and beta server, leaves you with a minimum of 300 aiding clicks per day.
However I can't do it... I can't be bothered, and I know lots of others are struggling to get through it.
I try to do it 2-3 times per week, and guilds have lowered their demands to players aswell.

New players don't understand why we don't aid them everyday, they remove you from friendlist and leave a sauer comment.
Trust me... if you had been clicking for 7 years, you'd be tired of it too.

We don't enter cities anymore, we just click a button under their name. Why not go all the way, and just give us the damn AID ALL BUTTON.
If all you had to do was to push ONE button, I'd bet you a thusand diamonds - everybody would get aided everyday.
Hell... make TWO buttons. 1 for guild, and 1 for neighbours.

It's not like I don't WANT to help my neighbours, but my old fingers can't keep up anymore lol

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Multiple translations added*

Spoiler: FRENCH Translation

Alors...

Quand aurons-nous un bouton AID global?
"Un bouton pour les gouverner tous" ... vous pourriez le dire .. lol

Je joue à ce jeu depuis 2012 sur des serveurs en direct, et je me souviens du PAIN qu'il était avant le système actuel d'aide.
Nous avions l'habitude d'aller dans la ville de chaque joueur et de choisir manuellement de polir ou de motiver des bâtiments spécifiques.
Puis vint la fonction d'aide simplifiée, en cliquant sous le nom du joueur.
Cela m'a beaucoup aidé, mais mes doigts sont fatigués ...

Jouant comme la plupart des joueurs sur un serveur live et bêta, vous obtenez un minimum de 300 clics d'aide par jour.
Cependant, je ne peux pas le faire ... Je ne peux pas être dérangé, et je sais que beaucoup d'autres ont du mal à le traverser.
J'essaie de le faire 2 ou 3 fois par semaine, et les guildes ont également réduit leurs exigences envers les joueurs.

Les nouveaux joueurs ne comprennent pas pourquoi nous ne les aidons pas tous les jours, ils vous retirent de la liste d'amis et vous laissent un commentaire.
Croyez-moi ... si vous aviez cliqué pendant 7 ans, vous en auriez aussi marre.

Nous n'entrons plus dans les villes, nous cliquons simplement sur un bouton sous leur nom. Pourquoi ne pas aller jusqu'au bout, et donnez-nous juste le fichu AID ALL BUTTON.
Si tout ce que vous deviez faire était d’appuyer sur UN SEUL bouton, je vous parierais ainsi et tous les diamants - tout le monde serait aidé chaque jour.
Enfer ... faites DEUX boutons. 1 pour la guilde et 1 pour les voisins.

Ce n'est pas comme si je ne voulais pas aider mes voisins, mais mes vieux doigts ne peuvent plus me suivre lol

Spoiler: SPANISH Translation

Asi que...

¿Cuándo obtendremos un botón de ayuda global?
"Un botón para gobernarlos a todos" ... puedes ponerlo .. jajaja

He jugado este juego desde 2012 en servidores en vivo, y recuerdo el DOLOR que tenía antes del actual sistema de ayuda.
Solíamos tener que ir a la ciudad de cada jugador y elegir manualmente pulir o motivar edificios específicos.
Luego vino la función de ayuda más simplificada, haciendo clic debajo del nombre del jugador.
Me ayudó mucho, pero mis dedos se están cansando ...

Jugar como lo hacen la mayoría de los jugadores tanto en un servidor en vivo como en uno beta, te deja con un mínimo de 300 clics de ayuda por día.
Sin embargo, no puedo hacerlo ... No puedo molestarme, y sé que muchos otros están luchando para superar esto.
Intento hacerlo 2-3 veces por semana, y los gremios también han reducido sus demandas a los jugadores.

Los nuevos jugadores no entienden por qué no los ayudamos todos los días, lo eliminan de la lista de amigos y dejan un comentario más seguro.
Confía en mí ... si hubieras estado haciendo clic durante 7 años, también estarías cansado de hacerlo.

Ya no ingresamos a las ciudades, solo hacemos clic en un botón debajo de su nombre. ¿Por qué no ir hasta el final, y simplemente darnos el maldito AID TODO EL BOTÓN.
Si todo lo que tuvieras que hacer fuera presionar UN botón, te apostaría unos diamantes y así todos recibirían ayuda todos los días.
Infierno ... haz DOS botones. 1 para el gremio, y 1 para los vecinos.

No es como que NO QUIERO ayudar a mis vecinos, pero mis viejos dedos ya no pueden continuar.

Spoiler: GERMAN Translation

So...

Wann erhalten wir eine globale AID-Schaltfläche?
"Ein Knopf, um sie alle zu beherrschen" ... Sie könnten es setzen ... lol

Ich spiele dieses Spiel seit 2012 auf Live-Servern und erinnere mich an die PAIN, die vor dem aktuellen Hilfssystem lag.
Wir mussten in die Stadt eines jeden Spielers gehen und manuell entscheiden, ob er bestimmte Gebäude polieren oder motivieren möchte.
Dann kam die vereinfachte Hilfsfunktion, die unter dem Spielernamen angeklickt wurde.
Es hat sehr geholfen, aber meine Finger werden müde ...

Wenn Sie wie die meisten Spieler sowohl auf einem Live-Server als auch auf einem Beta-Server spielen, müssen Sie mindestens 300 Klicks pro Tag unterstützen.
Ich kann es jedoch nicht ... Ich kann mich nicht stören, und ich weiß, dass viele andere Probleme haben, durchzukommen.
Ich versuche es 2-3 Mal pro Woche, und Gilden haben ihre Ansprüche an die Spieler reduziert.

Neue Spieler verstehen nicht, warum wir ihnen nicht jeden Tag helfen, sie entfernen Sie von der Freundesliste und hinterlassen einen sauer-Kommentar.
Vertrauen Sie mir ... wenn Sie seit 7 Jahren geklickt hätten, würden Sie es auch satt haben.

Wir betreten keine Städte mehr, wir klicken einfach auf eine Schaltfläche unter ihrem Namen. Warum nicht den ganzen Weg gehen und uns den verdammten AID ALL BUTTON geben.
Wenn Sie nur EINEN Knopf drücken müssten, würde ich Sie um Diamanten und Diamanten wetten - jeder würde jeden Tag geholfen.
Hölle ... mache ZWEI Knöpfe. 1 für die Gilde und 1 für die Nachbarn.

Es ist nicht so, dass ich nicht meinen Nachbarn helfen möchte, aber meine alten Finger können nicht mehr mithalten

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[Artubar]

As far as I know, the aid all feature would be heavy on Inno servers..

There's almost no difference between one-click collect a city with 140 buildings ready to harvest [or even manually sweep-collect a large number of buildings], and one-click aid a list of 140 friends.
In both cases, the main work is to update a city entity and give out a reward.
For collecting, it's 140 entities from a list of your town, for aiding its one entity pseudo-randomly chosen from the city entity list* of each of your 140 friends.

(* filtered for eligible buildings; if empty, only reward the coins)

In fact, server load would decrease, because 140 unique requests and their responses could be merged in only one single request/response - the only "stress" for the server are those database accesses which would occur all in a row instead of a ~1.5sec interval. But even that could be handled quite simple by splitting the 140 sequences into smaller batches which can be interleaved with other [players'] requests.
Nobody would moan about a 5sec delay, comparing it to 15 minutes (my time for 2 worlds, aid & tavern, only if the server is not lagging)

 

[DeletedUser9760]

It's something I read somewhere a while back, if it's as you say all the better.
Ideally we would be able to stop the aid all function or refresh it in case of server malfunctioning and other kinds of issues. Plus it should be something that doesn't interrupt the game so no "I'm busy please wait" shield with lances crossed. Maybe a little progress bar somewhere inside friends/guilds/neighborhood area

 

[miSc]

Please help me spread the message to your respective guilds, so we get everybody in here. (positive or negative) Don't matter, participation is key - to get the attention of Innogames.

 

[DeletedUser]

to get the attention of Innogames.

You already have our attention. I passed this on to game design already

 

[urine luck]

how about a compromise. if you use 1 click aid all then you dont get sv and dyn rewards. if you want those rewards you have to aid like normal?

it would solve the issue of constant inguild arguments about people not aiding, but there would still be a reason to aid individually.

 

[Thunderbummy]

If nothing else, reading this has given me a good laugh. I am very much in favor of simplifying aiding & tavern visits. In fact I am in favor of anything which helps reduce the insane number of clicks needed in a session so I would also ask Inno to look again at adding FPs to GB's. Anyone helping raise level 100 and more GBs knows exactly what I mean.

 

[miSc]

A guild friend said this:

"it should be 1 button friends, 1 button guild 1 button hood. not 1 button for all of them and a comprimise of just 1 button aiding for guild"

It seems regardless, that people want something to change concerning aiding. One button or not, the current system is not pleasing.

 

[DeletedUser7909]

I want one click for aid and tavern visits together

I agree totally to put aiding and tavern visits together with the one button aid. I frankly am hearing a lot of complaints about all the events and viking settlements taking up too much time. Many on the main servers are stopping once they have done 2 or 3 because of the time constraints. If Inno doesn't do something to take away from the time we spend on this game they will lose players.

 

[DeletedUser7909]

No my advice is: don't play on too many worlds if you don't like spending too much time on the game, or if you find that the game requires too many clicks.

Many people started other worlds before all of the events came back to back and there was no viking settlement and there was no tavern so the clicks have really made the time spent very difficult. Does that mean you are telling everyone to just cut out your extra worlds you play on because the time spent has become too much? Seems that hurts Inno more than helps them. Time spent on the game has been an issue for a while now in my opinion. It really became bad when the taverns came out and now with the settlements and events it is just over the top.

 

[DeletedUser9410]

I played on a few worlds, but because of time and all the clicking etc iv deleted most of them and still find it very time consuming.
especially the settlements where you have to delete roads, place dozens of runestones, delete them after a few minutes and replace roads.
i want to aid everybody daily but some days just find it too much effort going through dozens of pages.
Its even worse on the mobile app. At least on browser once you aid someone in events list if they appear again it is greyed out, on app you get a pop up which says you cannot aid this person at this time, then you need to click on "good to know" so its two clicks to achieve absolutely nothing.

And im just a small fish in a big pond, i dont even want to imagine what its like for a really big player with 140 friends, a very big active guild and a busy friendly hood. Easily ( in theory ) well over 300 aids a day

So its a BIG +1 for this Especially if it is included on mobile.

 

[DeletedUser8277]

Personally I'd be happy with a 'return aid' at the bottom of each page of event history. Or even just being able to use the enter key to do it instead of the tons and tons of clicks. I don't agree with the 'the game should do everything for you' concept people are coming up with, there are tasks and then there are clicks. No one is super good at clicking, clicking is not a competitive or puzzle like element in the game. Clicking is a deterrent to the game. If it's a return aid button someone still has to start the volly off just like now and the people who aid through event history.

In my non main world I keep friends to a minimum specifically because I don't have time to do this everyday. With a full friends list, guild and hood from aiding to taverns that's 580 clicks you have to do before you can get into the actual game play. For me it's annoying and I don't have the time. For my one guildmate whose been playing for 5 years and has arthritis in his hands, he has to choose between aiding or playing GE/GvG that day.

 

[qaccy]

I'm fine without this hypothetical 'aid all' button because I'm still very appreciative of having aid at all versus how it used to be. Saying 'it's not good enough' is pretty ungrateful IMO.

If something like this was implemented, much like the collect all button in our cities, it should probably have a diamond cost attached to it. It's far too convenient to simply be free. Regardless, I am curious as to why Inno 'stopped' where they did with it, leaving it at one button per player instead of going with 'aid all' from the start (even as a premium feature). Surely the idea would've crossed their mind at the time, right?

Anyway, I'm going to refrain from voting in the poll because the wording is biased in favor of one option.

 

[Emberguard]

If not a "global AID button" at least implement a "click & slide" on "Event History" page with "Social Interaction" filter enabled!

That would work

No my advice is: don't play on too many worlds if you don't like spending too much time on the game, or if you find that the game requires too many clicks.

Aiding on one game is "too much" - not because of the time, but because it's cumbersome in its repetitiveness.

You already have our attention. I passed this on to game design already

=D

I'm fine without this hypothetical 'aid all' button because I'm still very appreciative of having aid at all versus how it used to be. Saying 'it's not good enough' is pretty ungrateful IMO.

If something like this was implemented, much like the collect all button in our cities, it should probably have a diamond cost attached to it. It's far too convenient to simply be free. Regardless, I am curious as to why Inno 'stopped' where they did with it, leaving it at one button per player instead of going with 'aid all' from the start (even as a premium feature). Surely the idea would've crossed their mind at the time, right?

I am 100% ok with paying diamonds for such a feature. I'm grateful I don't have to visit every single city, I just don't find clicking aid hundreds of time to be meaningful gameplay. There's no real strategy to it aside from avoiding people altogether and it doesn't do my hands any good to be clicking needlessly hundreds of times. If I wanted to do that I'd go to cookie clicker.

 

[miSc]

I'm fine without this hypothetical 'aid all' button because I'm still very appreciative of having aid at all versus how it used to be. Saying 'it's not good enough' is pretty ungrateful IMO.

If something like this was implemented, much like the collect all button in our cities, it should probably have a diamond cost attached to it. It's far too convenient to simply be free. Regardless, I am curious as to why Inno 'stopped' where they did with it, leaving it at one button per player instead of going with 'aid all' from the start (even as a premium feature). Surely the idea would've crossed their mind at the time, right?

Anyway, I'm going to refrain from voting in the poll because the wording is biased in favor of one option.

I don't think they mean to be "ungrateful", just pointing out that it's not working out anymore..
The amount of support that this idea has gotten and the tons of added suggestions to this specific feature, certainly underlines that fact.
The aiding.. was.. well "fair", but outdated in my mind.

You have to remember that when they "upgraded" the aiding feature, it was in a different time. Cities were smaller, less worlds, less content, less clicking. Taverns was later introduced (more clicking), more content and events + the settlements. Which is like an exstra city on the side..
So it makes sense to modernise some of the older features, and the aiding process is one of those monotone repetitive actions that could use a tuneup.
It use to be much worse.. mind you.. you had visit each city, choose between 2 options (polish or motivate) and then find the appropiate building. Which not only were tiresome, slow and unpractical, but also difficult at times - because of the players' individual city-layout. Some buildings being behind others... and hidden etc.

So the current aiding upgrade (at the time) was quite welcome, but things are different now.. and with all the new stuff added.. it feels obsolete.
You can see it when you go through all the statements here:

"Can't be bothered anymore.. "
"no time.."
"too many clicks.."
"arthritis and tendonitis issues.."

Not to mention the complaints I've noticed in global chat.. and within the guilds by members who aid everybody daily and not get 100 percent back.
They are going through lists, deleting friends, getting to arguments and or leaving the guild entirely because of 5-10 members who don't aid back.
It's causing problems.. grief and unnecessary drama.

Modernising the aiding process, would mean everybody SHOULD get their needed aiding without the hassle.
Sure.. it might be boring for those who DO like going around and aiding players invidiually. I understand that, and I'm not trying to force anything on anyone. I just made a suggestion, brought up for debate.. let the majority decide.

What's even better, is that it has brought attention to the mobile / tablet users aswell. It seems their process is even worse, and new ideas has surfaced. This is how progress happens, minds coming together!

I am sorry you refrain from voting, but atleast you shared your opinion.

The vote was written with a bit of sarcasm to underline the obvious issue AND the "HORROR" as some decribed the aiding process.
I could change it to simply YES, NO, MAYBE .. but I'd hate to change it now .. midway process.

Anyways, thanks for your input.

 

[RedRed]

+1

anything that keeps away players from bots/autoclick should be a priority for the designers. There are plenty of game features to keep us online even without doing this monkey job (and you can still polivating manually when you are looking for blueprints).

 

[DeletedUser8090]

instead of one button replace all 300 clicks.
i suggest a "return all the aid from this page" button in event log.
so it's one click to replace 10 clicks, and also you can figure out who's not aiding at all

 

[miSc]

Poll closes in 4 days, so hurry up if you want to submit your vote.

Despite if people like the idea of 1 button or not, ONE thing is very clear - people want a change.
Modernization of the aiding process and a upgrade for mobile/tablet users.

Thanks to all for getting involved, sharing your views and opinions on the matter.
Regardless if FOR or AGAINST. The important thing is the debate itself, and that it's been forwarded to the devs.

 

[miSc]

You already have our attention. I passed this on to game design already

Any updates on this? The issue still persists. Members contact (me) on regular basis asking about it, not to mention I still hear about heated arguments in guilds. Not trying to dramatize it, but the current aiding process is causing quarrels or disputes among members.

 

[1BFA]

On FB live Inno game designers said maybe next year sometime but cant promise anything.

Check the response there @9.20
www.facebook.com/ForgeofEmpires/videos/2535028366527681/

 

[DeletedUser9410]

On the plus side, they have changed the mobile version so that now when you aid someone, all the other aids of that player are greyed out, the same as browser.
In fact it is now much much easier and faster to aid via mobile than via pc.
One reason i think browser is so slow, is because of that shield that comes up every time you click or change a page takes so long. On mobile it's almost instant between clicks. Also you just scroll down the list, no waiting for pages to change.