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[Kommodor]

 

[Syler]

 

[SlytherinAttack]

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Real benefit of QI golden chest pass purchasing

 

[Fury the Avenger]

I see the changes as very damaging for active players that could and did try to get the 2x bonus.
For low activity players it's probably a benefit to not have to think about 2x anymore. Which with less node completed was more prone to unlucky combination.
I think on balance the higher chance of not completing difficulty I is the major negative issue with this change.
The level completing progress required is 3 times the old value (difficulty I and II: 1040 basilisk vs 3080 new).
If a guild was nearer to 1x it's much faster, but if a guild was almost at 2x it is much slower progress than Basilisk. Considering that coin & supply and goods where very easy to complete at 2x and that was 25% of the total progress on those level.

Overall it make QI more boring, but easier to progress.
I am of two minds about the change in the end of incursion 6 chests bonus. We lost the medals but got a very good kit.

I see that the reward are about the equivalent to the 2x reward. But with some strange exception.

For example the normal node have a lower good reward in II (100) than in I (150):
Difficulty I

Difficulty II


The difficulty II new map (Drake Mountain) has a stronghold that is not optional. That is the same of a Lieutenant Node. Since we must beat the stronghold to reach the boss, the boss can never get the bonus form an undefeated stronghold.

 

[planetofthehumans2]

I'll just say it, the reward for qi coins/supply is garbage. You cannot do a single thing with that low amount. Can't buy one unit without 5k. And it's only 20% chance, so 5+ fights you lose 5+ full health units for this low amount you can't do jack diddles with?? It'd be really nice to be able to put the fights towards improving my QI town thats for sure.

Stop putting garbage rewards in the game that you know are not helpful or that people want.

 

[Atosha]

For low activity players it's probably a benefit to not have to think about 2x anymore. Which with less node completed was more prone to unlucky combination.

Actually, they'll have to be around 33% more active than before if they want to earn the 500 shards for the 3 expansion to start a quantic city (and not spend half the incursion in the building phase). Nerf of QI pass is there as well

 

[Fury the Avenger]

Actually, they'll have to be around 33% more active than before if they want to earn the 500 shards for the 3 expansion to start a quantic city (and not spend half the incursion in the building phase). Nerf of QI pass is there as well

That is not strictly correct.
Now you need 100 progress for each prize in the pass. That is 25 battles/donation, in low activity guild (you will not get the x5 on low activity).

Before you needed 30 progress that was 15 to 30 battles (but only 15 donation of coin/supplies).
In an not that active guild you might be a long time on a bad troop combination.

Personally I can fight with 8 ballista and no losses on most enemies in lower levels even on auto fight (with bonuses!)
But it doesn't work against fast+archers. For those I need 8 melee troops (with loses) or ballista + archers. But I might not have the troops to get x2 (except in the case the 2x troops are artillery & archers).

Also the 8 initial balista, means you can start using your action immediately (if you are on a combat node).

Personally I use a plan that require only 2 expansion with shards, which is cheaper initially.

My issue is that at the same time donation nodes have gone up a lot.
Difficulty 1: from 1200 to 4100
Difficulty 2: from 1400 to 8200
Difficulty 3: from 3500 to 12300
That is a very big increase, and it's not justified by us being able to balance our resources.
The additional goods building is a save of 20 goods on the 3rd expansion with goods. since we can produce any good for good donation nodes.

The barrack is more potentially more useful. But for now I didn't see any benefit (I'm trying different option in different world). I hope it helps somehow.
It would have been much more beneficial if 2x wasn't removed at the same time.

 

[Atosha]

That is not strictly correct.
Now you need 100 progress for each prize in the pass. That is 25 battles/donation, in low activity guild (you will not get the x5 on low activity).

Before you needed 30 progress that was 15 to 30 battles (but only 15 donation of coin/supplies).
In an not that active guild you might be a long time on a bad troop combination.

A french player did the math considering different ways of playing and shared the following results however:

"Cas", i.e. player profile considered:

1. Fighter/Farmer full x2
2. Mix Farmer/Fighter 2 units : x2 on donation + fight when possible (so a few x2 thx to his 2 units)
3. Mix Farmer/Fighter 1 unit : x2 on donation + fight when possible (so a fewer x2 thx to his only unit for fighting)
4. Fighters with 1 unit only : same as above but no donation

Considering less QI active players are either 2 or 3, they do have to be more active, around +33%.
Even "best" case regarding low impact for this change is around +17% activity required.

I did on top of that checked the amound required before / after to get 500 shards every incursion (minimum activity):

• Championship 1 --> QI pass 390 ; 750 ; 1050 ; 1290 (600 shards) ; 1530 (400 shards) ; 1830
  So 1830 progresss in total, around 305 per incursion.
• Championship 2 --> QI pass 1300 ; 2500 ; 3500 ; 4300 (600 shards) ; 5100 (400 shards) ; 6100
  So 6100 progresss in total, around 1220 per incursion.
• That's 4 times previous amount, i.e. the only case where a player does not have to increase its activity is when he was only always doing x1.

Personally I use a plan that require only 2 expansion with shards, which is cheaper initially.

If it's a shared plan, I'll be glad to look at it

My issue is that at the same time donation nodes have gone up a lot.
Difficulty 1: from 1200 to 4100
Difficulty 2: from 1400 to 8200
Difficulty 3: from 3500 to 12300
That is a very big increase, and it's not justified by us being able to balance our resources.

Good point, I was not expecting such an increase from the announcement
Depending on the guild (size, number of players farming), it could even be an early blocker either on the map or in the city building...

 

[Fury the Avenger]

A french player did the math considering different ways of playing and shared the following results however:
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"Cas", i.e. player profile considered:

1. Fighter/Farmer full x2
2. Mix Farmer/Fighter 2 units : x2 on donation + fight when possible (so a few x2 thx to his 2 units)
3. Mix Farmer/Fighter 1 unit : x2 on donation + fight when possible (so a fewer x2 thx to his only unit for fighting)
4. Fighters with 1 unit only : same as above but no donation

Considering less QI active players are either 2 or 3, they do have to be more active, around +33%.
Even "best" case regarding low impact for this change is around +17% activity required.

I did on top of that checked the amound required before / after to get 500 shards every incursion (minimum activity):

• Championship 1 --> QI pass 390 ; 750 ; 1050 ; 1290 (600 shards) ; 1530 (400 shards) ; 1830
  So 1830 progresss in total, around 305 per incursion.
• Championship 2 --> QI pass 1300 ; 2500 ; 3500 ; 4300 (600 shards) ; 5100 (400 shards) ; 6100
  So 6100 progresss in total, around 1220 per incursion.
• That's 4 times previous amount, i.e. the only case where a player does not have to increase its activity is when he was only always doing x1.

If it's a shared plan, I'll be glad to look at it


Good point, I was not expecting such an increase from the announcement
Depending on the guild (size, number of players farming), it could even be an early blocker either on the map or in the city building...

I use a copy of Flotte's guide.
This is the link I have: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...kcsEnxPZUtMrxEM2I0wdi-rQ9s/edit#gid=187088013
It might have changed since I made my copy.

I don't think profile 2 or 3 are correct for a slow moving guild. Or we are referring to different cases.

If you want to use the action you had (old version) you had to donate AND fight. And since you cannot skip nodes or your action would fill up, you have to make some of the battles without 2x.
You also cannot skip any node without having your action fill up.
Donation at 2x for coin/supplies
Good donation at 2x most of the time
Battle at 2x or 1x depending on luck.
For estimate the donation nodes in the first couple of level are 25% of the progress on the level. Your average multiplier should be between x1.25 and x2, probably around x1.5 onaverage but with huge variation.

 

[Atosha]

If you want to use the action you had (old version) you had to donate AND fight. And since you cannot skip nodes or your action would fill up, you have to make some of the battles without 2x.
You also cannot skip any node without having your action fill up.
Donation at 2x for coin/supplies
Good donation at 2x most of the time
Battle at 2x or 1x depending on luck.

You're describing precisely profile 2 there, sorry if I translated badly
(profile 3 being the same except the player use only 1 unit in battle and therefore get less bonus x2).

Thx for the guide, forgot this one was based on 2 shards expansion ^^

 

[mcbluefire]

Why, oh *WHY* wasn't the Last Province hit with a QI boost like 5% of both red and 5% of both blue? Then we'd actually see it in a city somewhere.

 

[planetofthehumans2]

Why, oh *WHY* wasn't the Last Province hit with a QI boost like 5% of both red and 5% of both blue? Then we'd actually see it in a city somewhere.

Unfortunately very soon after it was released I had to replace it for being too low %. Sorry gvg team, inno just doesn't care anymore.

 

[Charles el Britannia]

From the announcement:
"This change comes in preparation for a future Quantum Incursions update that aims to adjust the feature balancing within the game economy and reduce the inner competition within Guilds that is currently being driven by the feature setup. We find it crucial to adjust those aspects as quickly as possible in order to contain the potential negative impact."

What is this inner competition that they are talking about? The preferential troops (ballistas/archers) mechanic is already gone. Or are there still other things?

 

[CrashBoom]

What is this inner competition that they are talking about?

maybe: donations nodes are done in minutes
that is not fair to the players who aren't there in that short time

 

[Charles el Britannia]

Some donation nodes are more popular than others, yes. Choice nodes are the best because you just need to donate action points. Everybody wants them. Troop donations can suck later on because they are much more costly than just fighting a node.
I wonder what they are going to do.

 

[angelgail]

donation nodes hurt as we just get what we need together then have to donate it an start over

 

[koordi]

To account for the balancing adjustment happening while the Pass is already running, you will receive four QI Summer 2024 Epic Selection Kits directly in your Inventory also on 04 Sep 2024

Inno games

 

[xivarmy]

Some donation nodes are more popular than others, yes. Choice nodes are the best because you just need to donate action points. Everybody wants them. Troop donations can suck later on because they are much more costly than just fighting a node.
I wonder what they are going to do.

The big popularity for donation nodes isn't a cost-thing, it's an effort thing. Click the max button a couple times and use up all your actions. No sitting their doing actions one at a time.

I suppose they could be introducing the negotiation minigame, or something else similar in place of donation nodes to undo that. That would make them suddenly very unpopular lol.

 

[Ironrooster]

Some fighting nodes are better than others, because the rewards are better.

Personally,I prefer fighting the boss nodes. And with all the QI boosts floating around, it's not really much of a challenge.

 

[Thunderdome]

Donation based nodes are for those who haven't made a good enough stat for fighting on a node. They do go by fast as they are
popular.

Fighting nodes, however, are a different story; especially, the boss ones. I can go in with a Forgotten Temple + 5 Aqueducts to dispatch most up to level VII (the highest I had seen thus far in our guild; and I work during the day, have about an hour or two before going to bed, and waking up to do it all over again for six days straight; the seventh, I am sleeping) with some losses.

Action nodes are just limited because everyone and their mother wants them. Easy to just drop actions without any other costs (units, goods, supplies, or coins).

I suppose they could be introducing the negotiation minigame, or something else similar in place of donation nodes to undo that. That would make them suddenly very unpopular lol.

Oh hell no! Don't give them THAT idea. Then again, Inno is now best known to make things that are not popular with the players, yet popular to them (as they don't play their own game).