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Feedback Historical Allies, iteration one!

But, I wouldn't do it either. Somewhere around 3/4 of a city making lots of FP though I could see myself doing, leave some room for some ascended nonsense, build up some QI 1x1s, maybe a few less important GBs to level too. Which would be ~70k FP instead.
Yeah, that's where I'm coming out with this strategy. My daily collection is a bit over 27K without using finishes (I'm just stockpiling them for now). This leaves me enough space to keep 7K/7K boosts (red and blue) as well as stuff for QI. All in all, it seems to be working.
 

drakenridder

Marquis
For the theoretical numbers (SASH):

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With various population providers:

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There's the detail of making an actual layout, but with 4+ reasonable options for space-factors on population providers, I think you could probably hit around 100k FP theoretically with just eco sanctums, an eternal market, and population providers if you had every expansion in the game (including premium, castle, and quantum)

Edit: Fixed some clarity issues. Total FP = (Total + Excess Finishes) * (FP Boost/100 + 1) + Unscalable

Another small error: I listed the eternal market as 39 space. It doesn't need road, it's 36. Not substantial enough to update all the tables though.
Based off that. @Dessire ‘s claims don’t seem that outrageous. Wouldn’t be surprised if something like that would be achieved to see more lvl200+ GB’s eventually.
 

Dessire

Emperor
Most likely you use a mix of things.

I'd go with:

- 3+ regal squirrel halls (average 1 MSA a day so you don't need to think about nutcrackers).
- 5+ yukitomo empire (provides some single-self-aids for your finishes)
- As many orchards and escutcheons as you managed to win (really escutcheons are the best option for the bulk if you had the choice).
- And yukitomo lv 10s to fill in the gaps. How long to get enough is rather arbitrary - as long as you finish the calendar at least to have a decent fragment producer to pump with FSPs.
- The upcoming serene moose would be good as well. And Elixir Emporium is a slightly inferior Escutcheon (same pop, not as much FSP produced).

And you could just crank your orangery to the moon. Maybe find space for a stellar warship and run that too. And you can always store your FP factory gear and rebuild whatever it is you want to optimize next.

But, I wouldn't do it either. Somewhere around 3/4 of a city making lots of FP though I could see myself doing, leave some room for some ascended nonsense, build up some QI 1x1s, maybe a few less important GBs to level too. Which would be ~70k FP instead.
I do not hace squirrels, only escutcheons, halloween event elixirs, some orchards. I can wait to see orchards as daily specials, uff. With that, reaching above 80K should be totally possible.
 
I think that I need to recalibrate my FoE thought process. I am strictly F2P and often overlook what Whales can accomplish if they set their minds to it. Spending a LOT of cash rushing towns to get a ton of Escutcheons or opening chests to get a bunch of Elixir Emporiums is something that I did not consider. To each their own. I'm happy with my little old F2P city that cranks out 27K FPs per day.
 

Dessire

Emperor
I think that I need to recalibrate my FoE thought process. I am strictly F2P and often overlook what Whales can accomplish if they set their minds to it. Spending a LOT of cash rushing towns to get a ton of Escutcheons or opening chests to get a bunch of Elixir Emporiums is something that I did not consider. To each their own. I'm happy with my little old F2P city that cranks out 27K FPs per day.
Please, I am totally F2P player with no diamond farms.
 

Dessire

Emperor
With the input from @xivarmy you had me believing you then you went and ruined it. Enough Escutcheons, Orange Orchards, and Elixirs to support 50-60 Ecos as a F2P (no diamond farms) player. Sure thing. :rolleyes:
.-. how many orchards, escutcheons and elixirs do you believe I have? In total, all those buildings in my city are under 27 xD
 
.-. how many orchards, escutcheons and elixirs do you believe I have? In total, all those buildings in my city are under 27 xD
If you are truly F2P with no diamond farms then I would estimate that you could have 1 or 2 Orchards, 4-5 Escutcheons, and 1 Elixir. That's it.
 

Dessire

Emperor
If you are truly F2P with no diamond farms then I would estimate that you could have 1 or 2 Orchards, 4-5 Escutcheons, and 1 Elixir. That's it.
XD pleeeeeeaaaase!!!! Did you really play halloween event? One singlen elixir has the cost of 200 tickets!! And the whole event gave you more than 2000 tickets to spend!! Hahaha omg! Now I can understand why there is some people thinking that I am liying hhahaha
 
XD pleeeeeeaaaase!!!! Did you really play halloween event? One singlen elixir has the cost of 200 tickets!! And the whole event gave you more than 2000 tickets to spend!! Hahaha omg! Now I can understand why there is some people thinking that I am liying hhahaha
Yes, I played the Halloween Event. After throwing knives (at 10 tickets a throw) to collect enough blobs to open chests (average 12 throws) it cost 200 tickets to open all of the chests to get an Elixir. So, on average, 320 tickets per Elixir. If you only went for Elixirs then you could have come away with 5-6 but you would have sacrificed progress. So what are we up to? 5-6 Elixirs, 4-5 Escutcheons, and 1-2 Orchards? Approximately 500K population. Enough to power 24 Ecos. Can't get to 51K FPs with 24 Ecos. Perhaps the reason that some people don't believe you is the the pieces of the puzzle don't seem to fit together and you steadfastly refuse to reveal where this city is.
 

xivarmy

Legend
Perk Creator
Yes, I played the Halloween Event. After throwing knives (at 10 tickets a throw) to collect enough blobs to open chests (average 12 throws) it cost 200 tickets to open all of the chests to get an Elixir. So, on average, 320 tickets per Elixir. If you only went for Elixirs then you could have come away with 5-6 but you would have sacrificed progress. So what are we up to? 5-6 Elixirs, 4-5 Escutcheons, and 1-2 Orchards? Approximately 500K population. Enough to power 24 Ecos. Can't get to 51K FPs with 24 Ecos. Perhaps the reason that some people don't believe you is the the pieces of the puzzle don't seem to fit together and you steadfastly refuse to reveal where this city is.
I got 4 orchards in the process of barely getting gold for the hover express lv 3. Diamonds yes. But based on wanting to build a city revolving around eco sanctums, not so optional ones - would've been much harder with a lv 2 hover express to get all the sanctums.

I got 7 Escutcheons in one world and 8 in another, no diamonds in either. Just the only thing I wanted that event. So i just did rivals and cheap cities outside of rivals with a lot of chests opened. With moderate diamonds i think 10+ might've been quite viable.

I got 2 elixir emporiums in both of my worlds but wasn't trying in the event at all in one and was going for progress for coasters in the other (which is not doing sanctums at all, it's an indy camping city). Optimizing for elixirs, using tasks and daily challenge to chase down the goo, i could believe close to 10 there.

I can't speak to whether or not dessire's city is real :p But it is plausible. I'd be that far along if i cared enough about the game still ;) As is I occasionally spend weeks not collecting :p
 

drakenridder

Marquis
As a f2p-player, I’ve gotten 3 orchards. Meaning at least 280.290 population from that alone. Assuming the claims to be creditable for a moment:
2.000 / 200 = 10 elixers x 29.900 = 299.000 population. 579.290 / 20.820 = 27,824. There are probably more sources for population but from care of tomorrow and Halloween alone 27 eco hubs could be maxed out. Already getting halfway through the puzzle. Whenever taking for a moment Desire seriously and checking what’s claimed it actually does adds up.
 
As a f2p-player, I’ve gotten 3 orchards. Meaning at least 280.290 population from that alone. Assuming the claims to be creditable for a moment:
2.000 / 200 = 10 elixers x 29.900 = 299.000 population. 579.290 / 20.820 = 27,824. There are probably more sources for population but from care of tomorrow and Halloween alone 27 eco hubs could be maxed out. Already getting halfway through the puzzle. Whenever taking for a moment Desire seriously and checking what’s claimed it actually does adds up.
The Elixers actually cost about 320, not 200. But, going with your numbers, the expected number of population generators that a F2P player could get from the past three events supports fewer than 30 Ecos. Far short of what is needed to generate 51K FPs per collection. Is 51K possible, sure. @xivarmy has shown that 100K is possible. However, considering the amount of population generators needed to support this effort - and the options available so far - it seem very unlikely (if not impossible) for a F2P player to get to 51K, much less 100K.
 

drakenridder

Marquis
The Elixers actually cost about 320, not 200. But, going with your numbers, the expected number of population generators that a F2P player could get from the past three events supports fewer than 30 Ecos. Far short of what is needed to generate 51K FPs per collection. Is 51K possible, sure. @xivarmy has shown that 100K is possible. However, considering the amount of population generators needed to support this effort - and the options available so far - it seem very unlikely (if not impossible) for a F2P player to get to 51K, much less 100K.
Does it? I just went for a lazy bare minimum calculation. However we can run through @xivarmy estimated numbers from recent events. Let’s not forget that this is a bare bones approach and it being likely more pop-buildings are present:
1 evergreen hover lvl3: 48.050
4 orchards: 373.720
10 Escutcheons: 299.000
10 Elixers: 299.000
Eternal market lvl4: 160.160

Total: 1.179.930 population / 20.820 = 56,6729 maxed out eco hubs.

I wouldn’t exactly say that’s fewer than 30, or far off the claims. As we’ve seen in earlier calculations: 60 maxed out eco hubs could offer ~70k daily fps. Using FSP and BG lvl158. These calculations prove that with extremely good performance during past events, it’s plausible to hit 60 maxed out eco hubs. At least with the eternal market lvl4. Desire claimed to have 50k+ daily fps and bumping it up above 70k. It seems plausible.
The 100k however seems to be off for now. However that’s without taking into account more efficient pop-buildings. Like more eternal markets.
 
Does it? I just went for a lazy bare minimum calculation. However we can run through @xivarmy estimated numbers from recent events. Let’s not forget that this is a bare bones approach and it being likely more pop-buildings are present:
1 evergreen hover lvl3: 48.050
4 orchards: 373.720
10 Escutcheons: 299.000
10 Elixers: 299.000
Eternal market lvl4: 160.160

Total: 1.179.930 population / 20.820 = 56,6729 maxed out eco hubs.

I wouldn’t exactly say that’s fewer than 30, or far off the claims. As we’ve seen in earlier calculations: 60 maxed out eco hubs could offer ~70k daily fps. Using FSP and BG lvl158. These calculations prove that with extremely good performance during past events, it’s plausible to hit 60 maxed out eco hubs. At least with the eternal market lvl4. Desire claimed to have 50k+ daily fps and bumping it up above 70k. It seems plausible.
The 100k however seems to be off for now. However that’s without taking into account more efficient pop-buildings. Like more eternal markets.
Again, we have to speculate about what Desire may, or may not, have in their city to produce population. They said Elixirs, Escutcheons, and Orchards. I went with that. As a F2P player, 4 Orchards is a stretch. As is 10 Escutcheons and 10 Elixers. I've assumed that they are referring to a city on a live server which rules out the Eternal Market (for now).

Theoretically, 100K is possible with buildings that are currently available. For the time being, I do not think that 100K (or even 51K) is possible for F2P players unless they have significant diamond farms backing them up. Unless Desire sends a screenshot I'll remain a skeptic.
 

xivarmy

Legend
Perk Creator
Again, we have to speculate about what Desire may, or may not, have in their city to produce population. They said Elixirs, Escutcheons, and Orchards. I went with that. As a F2P player, 4 Orchards is a stretch. As is 10 Escutcheons and 10 Elixers. I've assumed that they are referring to a city on a live server which rules out the Eternal Market (for now).

Theoretically, 100K is possible with buildings that are currently available. For the time being, I do not think that 100K (or even 51K) is possible for F2P players unless they have significant diamond farms backing them up. Unless Desire sends a screenshot I'll remain a skeptic.
Well no, the 100k is not theoretically possible right this instant (well it is, but not sustainably - it'd need to involve multiple forgotten temples). 100k is theoretically possible once a lv4+ eternal market is available. The start of the conversation was how much the FP collection could be increased to because of that building, which won't be available til the event after st pat's i'd guess.
 

Dessire

Emperor
Amazing how zone people forget the golden version of celtic tavern haha oh guys, you are just showing that you really do not totally play events and do not try to use brain to search for most efficient buildings in certain aspects. And again, you guys confirm me again why you can't believe me yet xD is amazing see how you try to do math with certain buildings as if they were all best buildings giving population. Maths are useless if you do not see the whole picture, and in this case, see the whole pictures is take in consideration all event buildings from all events until today and search which ones are the best ones for X thing, in this case, population.
 
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