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Feedback Historical Allies, iteration one!

xivarmy

Legend
Perk Creator
Dessire said:
Amazing how zone people forget the golden version of celtic tavern haha oh guys, you are just showing that you really do not totally play events and do not try to use brain to search for most efficient buildings in certain aspects. And again, you guys confirm me again why you can't believe me yet xD is amazing see how you try to do math with certain buildings as if they were all best buildings giving population. Maths are useless if you do not see the whole picture, and in this case, see the whole pictures is take in consideration all event buildings from all events until today and search which ones are the best ones for X thing, in this case, population.
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To be fair, the celtic taverns are high on my delete list atm :p I never shared your enthusiasm for them. I just need to get the yukitomo's rolling and then they're gone.

But yes, I'm sure we all have "some" population from buildings we just haven't gotten around to replacing ;)

Edit: Why noone "remembers" the Mystic Celtic Tavern:

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vs the buildings I am considering (some still with SAT stats because I haven't gotten around to updating them):

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MCT is not exceptional as far as pop goes, and pretty darn "Empty" as far as other stats go.
 
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Zuckerberg the Horrid

Marquis
Dessire said:
Amazing how zone people forget the golden version of celtic tavern haha oh guys, you are just showing that you really do not totally play events and do not try to use brain to search for most efficient buildings in certain aspects. And again, you guys confirm me again why you can't believe me yet xD is amazing see how you try to do math with certain buildings as if they were all best buildings giving population. Maths are useless if you do not see the whole picture, and in this case, see the whole pictures is take in consideration all event buildings from all events until today and search which ones are the best ones for X thing, in this case, population.
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Wow isn't this the most toxic post I've seen in a while... Trying to call people braindead for helping to brainstorm population boosts just because they miss a building?
 
Mor-Rioghain

Mor-Rioghain

Steward
Well she has been dismissive of virtually all suggestions and still continues to taunt those who don't guess 'correctly' all the while keeping her city hidden. I stopped playing this 'game' (speculating) because I'm very selfish at heart. If I don't know what the prize will be for my troubles in figuring out a puzzle (or riddle, as the case may be), I'm no longer interested in playing, even if that prize is the "ah, hah!" moment of seeing the city in question.

Nah, I think her goal has been far less laudible. She's on a fishing expedition and is taking all of these yummy ideas to go back and "build" the city of her dreams, not gloat over how "wrong" everyone is, impo.

Tragic when you think of how willing people are willing to share what they've learned in this game rather than hide it from everyone, n'est pas?
 

CDmark

Viceroy
I am not trying to brag here, but I just hit 3K FP per collection and I will not reveal the secret too!!! :p

Since this is a thread for historical allies, I would like to see one for QI. Since allies are well controlled, would be nicer of the QI ally was branched, either red or blue. This way, players can fit it into their color scheme.

It is interesting what can be done. 50K or 70K FP, that is a lot of FPs.
 

drakenridder

Marquis
Pericles the Lion said:
Again, we have to speculate about what Desire may, or may not, have in their city to produce population. They said Elixirs, Escutcheons, and Orchards. I went with that. As a F2P player, 4 Orchards is a stretch. As is 10 Escutcheons and 10 Elixers. I've assumed that they are referring to a city on a live server which rules out the Eternal Market (for now).

Theoretically, 100K is possible with buildings that are currently available. For the time being, I do not think that 100K (or even 51K) is possible for F2P players unless they have significant diamond farms backing them up. Unless Desire sends a screenshot I'll remain a skeptic.
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True, however like I said. It's rather unlikely it's just those buildings. From my understanding what Desire claims: currently ~50k/d fps, with the eternal market lvl4 ~70k/d. The 100k/d was brought up later. Seems to me it does adds up. At least when looking at it from a theoretical angle. Whatever could support those eco hubs is much more than recent events. I'm just admittedly not determined enough to figure it out rn.
To me it's not so much a question: does Desire tell the truth or is it big talk? To me it's much rather: could it possible? Putting it to the test, it seems to be possible. To me that's what could path the way to a new height of fps. To me that's much more interesting than debating whether claim are "right" and whatever is "wrong."

I'm sure whenever the fp-allies drop, particularly with somewhat efficient pop-buildings with ally-rooms, it could become easier to hit 50k+. Approaching the 100k daily fps. To me it's more mind boggling than the thousands of military bonuses now.
 
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Pericles the Lion

Merchant
drakenridder said:
True, however like I said. It's rather unlikely it's just those buildings. From my understanding what Desire claims: currently ~50k/d fps, with the eternal market lvl4 ~70k/d. The 100k/d was brought up later. Seems to me it does adds up. At least when looking at it from a theoretical angle. Whatever could support those eco hubs is much more than recent events. I'm just admittedly not determined enough to figure it out rn.
To me it's not so much a question: does Desire tell the truth or is it big talk? To me it's much rather: could it possible? Putting it to the test, it seems to be possible. To me that's what could path the way to a new height of fps. To me that's much more interesting than debating whether claim are "right" and whatever is "wrong."

I'm sure whenever the fp-allies drop, particularly with somewhat efficient pop-buildings with ally-rooms, it could become easier to hit 50k+. Approaching the 100k daily fps. To me it's more mind boggling than the thousands of military bonuses now.
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Smart minds have concluded that a city with FP production exceeding 50K is theoretically possible. As far as I am concerned, @Dessire has not developed such a city and what they have described is a "unicorn" - a figment of a vivid imagination. I'm not buying what they are selling and I'll leave it at that. One good thing coming out of this discussion is a better appreciation of the possibilities arising from a city loaded up with Ecos. Thanks for that.
 

drakenridder

Marquis
Pericles the Lion said:
Smart minds have concluded that a city with FP production exceeding 50K is theoretically possible. As far as I am concerned, @Dessire has not developed such a city and what they have described is a "unicorn" - a figment of a vivid imagination. I'm not buying what they are selling and I'll leave it at that. One good thing coming out of this discussion is a better appreciation of the possibilities arising from a city loaded up with Ecos. Thanks for that.
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I agreed with that. Personally I'm unsure if Desire spoke the truth or just made it up. To me it doesn't even matter at all. I appreciate Desire to set us off to discover that up to 100k daily fps is theoretically possible. Even supportive evidence with math. Maybe some day I'll give it go to set my live city up for that. Sounds fun to me. To see how high GB's can go with 100k fp. Perhaps we'll finally find the real limit of the AO. I'm sure someone else will get there before me. I would just come forth with the city's layout if I would've succeeded.
 
CrashBoom

CrashBoom

Legend
2 "new" allies in Wildlife Event
uncommon Boudica & Arminius (level 85) and uncommon room in Shrine

not much leveling left when we get Allies at level 85
 
Dessire

Dessire

Emperor
You really are a joke guys. Did you know in this game you can have more than 240 expansions?

60 ecos = 1,170,000 pop.
Celtic tavern = 30 squares = 48500 of pop
Escutcheons + elixirs = 16 squares
Orchards = 25 squares

Assume an average of 30 squares for 50K pop.

You need 24 buildings to have a bit more of 1,170,000 squares, which means 45 expansions.

60 ecos = 135 expansions

Assume an average of 3 squares to connect all buildings, yes, even elixirs, orchards, etc. That is 16 expansions.

You have a total of 196 expansions with all those buildings, and you have more than 50 more expansions free, excluding townhall. Lets say 40 expansions to fill them up with yukitomos, and 1 forgotten temple in another expansion, that would be 200% fp boost. 40 yukitomos = 108 x 40
Ecos = 145 x 60

Eternal market = 180

Total = 53K of fps per day with blue galaxy xD
Eternal market lvl 4 would be 67K of fps per day. Oooohh. Guys you are so lost!
 

Pericles the Lion

Merchant
Dessire said:
You really are a joke guys. Did you know in this game you can have more than 240 expansions?

60 ecos = 1,170,000 pop.
Celtic tavern = 30 squares = 48500 of pop
Escutcheons + elixirs = 16 squares
Orchards = 25 squares

Assume an average of 30 squares for 50K pop.

You need 24 buildings to have a bit more of 1,170,000 squares, which means 45 expansions.

60 ecos = 135 expansions

Assume an average of 3 squares to connect all buildings, yes, even elixirs, orchards, etc. That is 16 expansions.

You have a total of 196 expansions with all those buildings, and you have more than 50 more expansions free, excluding townhall. Lets say 40 expansions to fill them up with yukitomos, and 1 forgotten temple in another expansion, that would be 200% fp boost. 40 yukitomos = 108 x 40
Ecos = 145 x 60

Eternal market = 180

Total = 53K of fps per day with blue galaxy xD
Eternal market lvl 4 would be 67K of fps per day. Oooohh. Guys you are so lost!
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Thank you for an extract of what @xivarmy posted previously. It is still theory. You claim to have accomplished this feat. Show us. Enough with the theory. Oh, while you are at it you may consider dialing back the condescension a bit. It is very unattractive.
 

drakenridder

Marquis
Dessire said:
You really are a joke guys. Did you know in this game you can have more than 240 expansions?

60 ecos = 1,170,000 pop.
Celtic tavern = 30 squares = 48500 of pop
Escutcheons + elixirs = 16 squares
Orchards = 25 squares

Assume an average of 30 squares for 50K pop.

You need 24 buildings to have a bit more of 1,170,000 squares, which means 45 expansions.

60 ecos = 135 expansions

Assume an average of 3 squares to connect all buildings, yes, even elixirs, orchards, etc. That is 16 expansions.

You have a total of 196 expansions with all those buildings, and you have more than 50 more expansions free, excluding townhall. Lets say 40 expansions to fill them up with yukitomos, and 1 forgotten temple in another expansion, that would be 200% fp boost. 40 yukitomos = 108 x 40
Ecos = 145 x 60

Eternal market = 180

Total = 53K of fps per day with blue galaxy xD
Eternal market lvl 4 would be 67K of fps per day. Oooohh. Guys you are so lost!
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Thanks for the reinforcement what's already been theoretical confirmed previously:
xivarmy said:
For the theoretical numbers (SASH):

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With various population providers:

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There's the detail of making an actual layout, but with 4+ reasonable options for space-factors on population providers, I think you could probably hit around 100k FP theoretically with just eco sanctums, an eternal market, and population providers if you had every expansion in the game (including premium, castle, and quantum)

Edit: Fixed some clarity issues. Total FP = (Total + Excess Finishes) * (FP Boost/100 + 1) + Unscalable

Another small error: I listed the eternal market as 39 space. It doesn't need road, it's 36. Not substantial enough to update all the tables though.
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Now we're just waiting till one of the community YouTubers will cover it. Maybe through a reposting in on discord will kickstart it.
 

Pericles the Lion

Merchant
Dessire said:
XD you wish xD, haha, keep thinking achieving such city is impossible for a totally f2p player xD
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Something is getting lost in translation. I've already acknowledged that such a city is possible....theoretically possible. My interest is in seeing one for real. If secrecy is so important to you then simply send over a screenshot of your daily collection. We can adjust for you having to clear your FP bar after using each of your 15 BG charges. This is what you can send without compromising your city (this example is from one of my diamond farms where I could not care less about FPs):

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