Feedback Guild Battlegrounds

[aragon82]

as long as every spot in a league with 8 guilds will get the some amount of MMR(regardless if its diamond#1 or copper#34) the system wont work this way
even if EVERY single guild in diamond is at the maximum half of them stay at the same rating(finishing 1st to 4th)

so with your numbers: 24 stay at maximum, 24 loose some mmr and go down to platinum(finishing 5th in highest ranked diamond, drop to platinum...nice one!)
but there are up to 30 guilds out of the 15 platinum-leagues finishing with +175(1st) and +125(2nd) which will also reach the hard-cap
next saison 54 for 48 spots......or maybe the number of diamond leagues increase...which leads to more platinum-leagues....leading into even MORE guilds at the maximum.
I hope you get what I mean.

 

[Hiep Lin]

As a reminder
the diamond league has 100 points (from 901 to 1000 points)
the platinum league has 250 points (from 651 to 900 points)

If there are 48 diamond guilds and 12 go down (+/- 25%), 12 guilds must go up from "platinum"
If there are 120 guilds in "platinum" this corresponds to 10%, as the first guild in a group gains 175 points it only goes up if it has at least 726 points at the start.

If there is no limit, the number of guilds in "diamond" will be equal to that in "platinum" when the descents are equal to the climbs.

 

[aragon82]

I agree completely. But once there are a sufficient number of guilds in diamond league, it should be possible for a savvy guild to stay in diamond by never reaching the diamond-1 battlefield where they might not be able to finish in the top 6.

again, example numbers from last page:
with 24 guildes finishing at the maximum, which one will get #1 and which one #3.... Random(24)?!?
there is no chance to "decide" where you will start... even if you can manage to control which spot you will achieve.

 

[DeletedUser10047]

again, example numbers from last page:
with 24 guildes finishing at the maximum, which one will get #1 and which one #3.... Random(24)?!?
there is no chance to "decide" where you will start... even if you can manage to control which spot you will achieve.

With 24 diamond league guilds, there would be 3 battlefields. The top battlefield - diamond-1 - will be filled with guilds that have MMR 1000. This will be the case because the guilds that place 1st to 4th in diamond-1 will stay there, and the top 2 guilds in diamond-2 and diamond-3 will gain sufficient MMR to have 1000. Therefore to stay away from the diamond-1 battlefield, it is only necessary to keep your guild's MMR below 1000.

 

[aragon82]

With 24 diamond league guilds, there would be 3 battlefields. The top battlefield - diamond-1 - will be filled with guilds that have MMR 1000. This will be the case because the guilds that place 1st to 4th in diamond-1 will stay there, and the top 2 guilds in diamond-2 and diamond-3 will gain sufficient MMR to have 1000. Therefore to stay away from the diamond-1 battlefield, it is only necessary to keep your guild's MMR below 1000.

48 diamond, 24 finishing with 1000 MMR, number of guilds at the maximum will raise every seasion, this wont work
there has to be another system behind

 

[CrashBoom]

With 24 diamond league guilds, there would be 3 battlefields. The top battlefield - diamond-1 - will be filled with guilds that have MMR 1000. This will be the case because the guilds that place 1st to 4th in diamond-1 will stay there, and the top 2 guilds in diamond-2 and diamond-3 will gain sufficient MMR to have 1000. Therefore to stay away from the diamond-1 battlefield, it is only necessary to keep your guild's MMR below 1000.

and out of diamond-2 and diamond-3
because in the end those will also have 1000

but basically you are saying:
you need to do place 3 or 4 (when you first advance to diamond) then 5 (or 6 when 3rd) and then again place 3 or 4 ....
or in other words: for a place in the top half (which aren't 1 and 2) you need to make a place in the bottom half to lose those points again

great system

 

[Sl8yer]

THE GROUPING of GUILDS into LEAGUEs is ABSOLUTELY to be CHANGED, so that we are with guilds with which we can compete. Being alternatively either first or last is totally BORING !!! PLEASE ACT !!!!!! DO YOUR JOB TO PLEASE THE PLAYERS !!!
That is not the first time that you are doing things that goes against the interest of players to play your game. PLEASE REACT !! and do a BETTER JOB !!!

You do know that is changes with every new Battleground????

Who made you the spokesperson for THE PLAYERS???/

 

[DeletedUser10047]

THE GROUPING of GUILDS into LEAGUEs is ABSOLUTELY to be CHANGED, so that we are with guilds with which we can compete. Being alternatively either first or last is totally BORING !!! PLEASE ACT !!!!!! DO YOUR JOB TO PLEASE THE PLAYERS !!!
That is not the first time that you are doing things that goes against the interest of players to play your game. PLEASE REACT !! and do a BETTER JOB !!!

Hint: Don't take 1st on those easy seasons. That way you won't be promoted to a battlefield where you can do nothing but last.

 

[Beta-OD]

This is an opinion from Live, not Beta. So far, we've had 2 GbG with 7 guilds and 2 with 5 guilds. I find the 5 guild ones much more fun; it may depend on which guilds are in there of course. Maybe splitting the difference of 6 might be good for a change.

 

[xivarmy]

Hint: Don't take 1st on those easy seasons. That way you won't be promoted to a battlefield where you can do nothing but last.

OR: Do take 1st (provided it's not too hard for you to do so), then take the season where you'll get last anyways real easy. Fight the cheap fights, get some individual rewards, and save resources for a season you can compete in again next. Maybe go for 7th or 6th if there's other guilds getting blown out too.

Tightly contested seasons are way more costly than blowout seasons

 

[DeletedUser10047]

OR: Do take 1st (provided it's not too hard for you to do so), then take the season where you'll get last anyways real easy. Fight the cheap fights, get some individual rewards, and save resources for a season you can compete in again next. Maybe go for 7th or 6th if there's other guilds getting blown out too.

Tightly contested seasons are way more costly than blowout seasons

That a good way to go about it also. But I've seen guilds get almost completely shut down (and this is in platinum), so those guild members don't get much in the way of individual rewards

 

[xivarmy]

That a good way to go about it also. But I've seen guilds get almost completely shut down (and this is in platinum), so those guild members don't get much in the way of individual rewards

It'd take guilds trading spaces back and forth on even your most worthless initial bordering sectors every 4 hours to get shut down to the point where you can't get your individual rewards. Your guild does not necessarily need to show up on the scoreboard to get what you can for freebies.

Is it doable to inflict that on a guild? Sure. But you probably have to have a certain amount of hate to bother with that level of coordination rather than just let them take the sectors next to them and then take them back 4 hours later

 

[DeletedUser10047]

It'd take guilds trading spaces back and forth on even your most worthless initial bordering sectors every 4 hours to get shut down to the point where you can't get your individual rewards. Your guild does not necessarily need to show up on the scoreboard to get what you can for freebies.

Is it doable to inflict that on a guild? Sure. But you probably have to have a certain amount of hate to bother with that level of coordination rather than just let them take the sectors next to them and then take them back 4 hours later

I'm not talking about coordination, or even shutting down a guild completely. But if a guild of 50-60 members is being limited to taking only a few provinces a day - say 400 to 500 advances - then most of those guild members are getting very little opportunity to participate at all.

 

[xivarmy]

I'm not talking about coordination, or even shutting down a guild completely. But if a guild of 50-60 members is being limited to taking only a few provinces a day - say 400 to 500 advances - then most of those guild members are getting very little opportunity to participate at all.

But that's the level of advancement such a guild could probably handle for "free" anyways. And in their lower group might well even be enough to take 1st. (say 20-50 advancements per day per active member. there's a good chance if that 50-60 member guild is being shutout at any level most of their members aren't *that* active).

My largest guild has 12 people (I'm a small guild person). We started in low silver and got into gold-2 with two firsts in a row. The last 2 seasons have been very tough fights to stay in gold (4th and 6th I think). We're still in low gold (Gold-8) now though and having what appears to be a very easy season. Assuming we do take 1st we'll be in Gold-1 or Gold-2 next season and in tough again; we'll have enough of a cushion though to be fine with 8th this time without losing gold now though. We're probably around 200-300 "easy" advances a day and capable of 600-700ish if we push.

400-500 "easy" advances a day is enough to be a strong gold that regularly advances to platinum at this time imo. But once in platinum it doesn't surprise me at all that it's so little they're firmly booted back out of it. It's not like they're being deprived opportunity to get the individual rewards they want though at that threshold. They just don't have enough active people to present a serious challenge to the "real" top guilds.

 

[Pafton]

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO A PROPER JOB AT INNO ???
WE NEED TO KNOW WHOOOO IS FIGHTING ON WHAT SECTOR !!!
WITHOUT THAT IT IS IMMMMMPPPPOSSSSSIBBBLLLEEE TO MANAGE THE GAME.
PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH THE BASIC ELEMENT REQUIRED ENABLING US TO PLAY !!!!!

That is becoming really annoying that you provide feature that can NOT be played !!! ¨please REACT accordingly.

Do you think shouting like this is a mature way to behave on a public forum?

 

[CrashBoom]

WE don't need it

 

[DeletedUser10047]

That is becoming really annoying that you provide feature that can NOT be played

What's really annoying (besides your public temper tantrum) is that you choose to not learn what most other guilds have learned. Hint: It is very possible for a guild to participate in GBG without logs (and without the problems that some guilds seem to have).

 

[Emberguard]

What the hell is the intention behind capping prestige from MMR at 1.000 / 18.000 points?!?

As an example let's assume the top 4 guilds of each diamond league island all win 100 seasons in a row in diamond. Lets also assume they always get placements in the top 4 and that each of these placements always gives them points or break even.

This would result in these guilds from not having to work at keeping their placement for the next 100 rounds. If they lost every round for 100 rounds after having won 100 rounds then they'd very likely either still be in diamond league or just on the verge of getting back into diamond league. There's no reason a guild that's losing that badly should be able to maintain diamond league and getting such a huge advantage in rewards.

It'd open up diamond league to abuse. You could stock up on MMR score by getting top spots for a number of seasons, then deliberately lose a number of seasons to restock goods and troops while retaining all the Diamond league rewards. Whereas right now if you used a season to restock on troops and goods you'd be booted straight down to Platinum. Stocking up on MMR would eliminate any consequence of choices for those guilds that can get top spots in diamond.

 

[Sl8yer]

WE NEED TO KNOW WHOOOO IS FIGHTING ON WHAT SECTOR !!!
WITHOUT THAT IT IS IMMMMMPPPPOSSSSSIBBBLLLEEE TO MANAGE THE GAME.
PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH THE BASIC ELEMENT REQUIRED ENABLING US TO PLAY !!!!!

That is becoming really annoying that you provide feature that can NOT be played !!! ¨please REACT accordingly.


Moderator note - Innobashing removed.

WHAT??????????

 

[LastWarrior]

correct, Inno do it