Feedback Guild Battlegrounds update!

[Mor-Rioghain]

@Mor-Rioghain ngl you really badly wanna be "right" in a silly discussion long past the scope of the subject? This is a rhetorical question. Your gaslight attempts won’t work and don’t make you “right” either.

Can't help myself here: I will never cease to be amazed by gaslighters who throw out the gaslight comment when they find themselves in the corner to which the painted themselves.

Failing yourself to provide independent evidence too. From all servers combined top100 GB’s the majority is military (53 military, 37 CF, 9 Arcs, 1 oracle). Just one indication of popular fp-sinks. EB’s & allies are indicating what sells. Overwhelmingly most is military oriented. Even the eco hubs give NAU. Quite a number of allies giving GbG specific bonuses in contrast QI, GE and fp allies are absent. Would it make sense to sell so many solutions for GbG attrition, if it doesn’t sell well and make whales spend..? Rhetorical question too.
I’ve had concerns, asked an question, got likes indicating others shared those concerns, got an answer. Thought all of this was about a miscommunication. It’s now clear to me it’s not. Don’t know, don’t care what’s motivating you. I’ll leave it at you misjudging me for the sake of whatever

Had you argued military boosts, not just battlegrounds boosts, I'd have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Since you limited it to only one of the types of fighting available in the game, I did not.

And you are absolutely 100% correct in your assumption that I didn't use ScoreDB as a resource. I never use non-affiliated or non-supported software or extensions as fact in this game. ScoreDB and the Fandom Wiki, both of which are not supported, are two of the most relied upon resources by Forgers, yet they rely on contributors for their "facts," consequently their findings are dependant upon true and accurate reporting. I've discovered umpteen examples of error and opinion-based 'fact' over the years in these publications (and others) and take their reports for what they are: unsubstantiated opinion and unreliable reporting.

As I stated earlier, if you wish to lend more credibility to your opinion then you should use facts, not fiction. If not, own your opinion. Experience can be the best of teachers and opinions are just one such reflection of that.

 

[Olddude]

Inno should really be ashamed of themselves for their matching They have placed Asgard in the most ridiculous round ever on the battle ground. You have the top guild fighting team of 1,2 & 3 players. There are some bigger guild but they are low activity guilds.

Thank god for the Dutch Guild who at least are putting up some fights but not many. Asgard have cancelled the minimum fight requirement for this round and guildies struggle to get any fights. Player are standing down so other can get at least a few fights in. It is just a stupid matching which is annoying all of our members.

Asgard will end the round with something like 10,000,000 VP and a lead of something like 3,000,000 VP over White Rabbit meaning no one would have a chance to catch them even if they were only one win down. It is like we are fighting on Bronze League. Just the most boring round we have ever had. Lets get some better matching.

How we have guilds so small in diamond league is beyond me it is insane.

 

[CDmark]

Well, on live in X world, I have proposed that all guilds not use the outposts, to save the diamond cost. It is bad enough there have been many slots added to each map, this alone increases cost. So, if all will agree, we can play GBG in X our way, not the Diamond Digger way. I really don't see the use of outposts as a big strategic advantage if 2 warring guilds are both using them. The added slots with advanced field camps produce the same increased advances but at a lesser cost.

 

[Fury the Avenger]

Inno should really be ashamed of themselves for their matching They have placed Asgard in the most ridiculous round ever on the battle ground. You have the top guild fighting team of 1,2 & 3 players. There are some bigger guild but they are low activity guilds.

Thank god for the Dutch Guild who at least are putting up some fights but not many. Asgard have cancelled the minimum fight requirement for this round and guildies struggle to get any fights. Player are standing down so other can get at least a few fights in. It is just a stupid matching which is annoying all of our members.

Asgard will end the round with something like 10,000,000 VP and a lead of something like 3,000,000 VP over White Rabbit meaning no one would have a chance to catch them even if they were only one win down. It is like we are fighting on Bronze League. Just the most boring round we have ever had. Lets get some better matching.

How we have guilds so small in diamond league is beyond me it is insane.

I think that this is the POINT of the change they made.
Before ASGARD was always fighting against top guilds. Nice for Asgard, but a nightmare for the other top guilds. The current method means that in session 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th the match is intended to AVOID repeat matching of the same guilds.

In 3rd and 6th the guild are matched by ranking, so that is Asgard chance to win the championship by beating the other top guilds in direct matching. But this leave 3-4 session for other top guiid to get 1st place and a first level tower.

 

[Charles el Britannia]

Looking at the championship board now I think Asgard, Dragonstar, White Rabbit and Hyksos are together in one group. Truly a battle of champions. Too bad I cannot spectate the races there, lol.

 

[Olddude]

Looking at the championship board now I think Asgard, Dragonstar, White Rabbit and Hyksos are together in one group. Truly a battle of champions. Too bad I cannot spectate the races there, lol.

 

[Olddude]

I think the surprising thing is how well Hycos is doing this round. Unfortunately I can not see them getting above 4th in the championship. When the round started I was expecting White Rabbit to finish second but DragonStar has passed them to be in second place in the championship. There was a time when I really feared White Rabbit but I think they have conceded defeat are are content to just play out the championship finishing 3rd.

I have a lot of respect for Dragonstar they are a quality team and but for the matching rounds they would have been a real chance to take the championship.

Making the top teams face each other three time in this championship has made it very difficult for any guild other than Asgard to win the championship. I like the matching rounds as it creates real competition for the top teams. You have to question though if it is a good thing if it means that one team can dominate the battle ground.

The answer to beating Asgard may be creating a super guild between Hycos, Dragonstar and White Rabbit. I think we can safely call this championship for Asgard and look forward to what the next round holds.

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

Asgard will end the round with something like 10,000,000 VP

and a lead of something like 3,000,000 VP

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Ummmm, did you add a zero to your numbers? I see 1.3M, not 10.3M. And that's a 500K lead, not 3M, which is perfectly reasonable (and doable) lead.

I've attached the Global Rankings and the numbers you're describing are somewhat similar to these but that's after 4 complete rounds (seasons), not the current season (presumably season 5) you've attached. Numbers just seemed awfully big!

 

[Olddude]

Ummmm, did you add a zero to your numbers? I see 1.3M, not 10.3M. And that's a 500K lead, not 3M, which is perfectly reasonable (and doable) lead.

I've attached the Global Rankings and the numbers you're describing are somewhat similar to these but that's after 4 complete rounds (seasons), not the current season (presumably season 5) you've attached. Numbers just seemed awfully big!

The quotes you are using were my comments on what the global ranking would be during round 5...Turns out I was 100% on the money

 

[Mor-Rioghain]

The quotes you are using were my comments on what the global ranking would be during round 5...Turns out I was 100% on the money

Gotcha. Sorry about that! Makes a lot more sense now! lol

 

[Jubilee]

The four guild too frustrating. The two top dominate while the other 2 guilds waste troops, diamonds & time. Waiting for buildings to complete is now defunct. Maybe a fifth guild?? is the answer.

 

[Hiep Lin]

The new matchmaking is really bad for medium guilds, in gold league (and probably platinum)

"The goal of this system? To allow you to meet the opponents you have least frequently met in the previous fields and therefore avoid falling back into the current situation."

However, the guilds that we have least frequently met are those that have the most difference with ours in the ability to fight.

Before, medium guilds were in similar LP groups. When they were in a difficult group they lost and then found themselves in an easier group, this regularly gave all these guilds interesting sessions (neither too difficult nor too easy).

Now, in the gold league groups, we always find guilds close to 500 and others close to 800 at the same time. There are no more balanced groups, guilds (which were in platinum before so that we never met in gold) quickly take the center of the map and then everyone gets bored because the result is acquired before the start of the session.

This system may be positive for guilds with 1000 lp who wanted more diversity (I can't verify it), but it is catastrophic for all other guilds.

Since the implementation of this change GB has lost all its appeal.

As, in addition, the gains have become obsolete, you have to be very motivated to participate. (with the winter event I obtained 2 "yukitomo" and the eternal market, GB can't compete)

 

[tunix]

Normal rounds in the Diamond League aren't any better. In the last round we played against one guild with one member, one guild with two members and one guild with three members. And we are the number one guild with 80 members!
At least in the four-way battle rounds, there is some action.

 

[Yekk]

Normal rounds in the Diamond League aren't any better. In the last round we played against one guild with one member, one guild with two members and one guild with three members. And we are the number one guild with 80 members!
At least in the four-way battle rounds, there is some action.

Next league on Thursday has 110 1K guilds in it. Inno said the league pull would be random. 14 leagues of 7-8 guilds. Odds are great what happened to you happens to most top guilds here on beta.

 

[Olddude]

Wth 110 teams starting in Diamond League for round 1 you have to guess that there will be some awful matching on a random selection. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. You have to guess that the top guilds will have mismatches. The next round of the championship will see Dragonstar and Asgard go for the glory of 3 wins and determine just who can claim to be the top guild.

 

[Yekk]

Wth 110 teams starting in Diamond League for round 1 you have to guess that there will be some awful matching on a random selection. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. You have to guess that the top guilds will have mismatches. The next round of the championship will see Dragonstar and Asgard go for the glory of 3 wins and determine just who can claim to be the top guild.

Using the google AI and asking odds of getting a top 15 guild (by subjective quality not last seasons wins) against yours it gives a chance of 81% of getting one guild from that group, a 9% chance of getting 2 such guilds BUT that leaves a 1-5 chance of getting worse. The odds of getting a guild from your last fire round is 6%. All rounded off.

 

[Fury the Avenger]

Using the google AI and asking odds of getting a top 15 guild (by subjective quality not last seasons wins) against yours it gives a chance of 81% of getting one guild from that group, a 9% chance of getting 2 such guilds BUT that leaves a 1-5 chance of getting worse. The odds of getting a guild from your last fire round is 6%. All rounded off.

Doesn't the new matchmaking avoid guild that you battled recently (like those near you in ranking, that you met on round 3 and 6)?

So your chance of meeting the guild at your same level as you should be reduced during 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th round.

 

[Yekk]

Doesn't the new matchmaking avoid guild that you battled recently (like those near you in ranking, that you met on round 3 and 6)?

So your chance of meeting the guild at your same level as you should be reduced during 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th round.

New season Thursday. It should be a totally random pull.

 

[Kommodor]

interesting. A new championship is supposed to start in a few hours, and we haven't yet seen an announcement of what prizes the guilds will be fighting for this time....

 

[Juber]

interesting. A new championship is supposed to start in a few hours, and we haven't yet seen an announcement of what prizes the guilds will be fighting for this time....

I was preparing it while you wrote that