Discussion Discussion on FAS/FASP August 19th changes

[Aristarchus1]

Agreed. However, a L80 produces 810 treasury goods. Even with a L91 BG I don't think that there is another building that comes close to the Arc's efficiency.

The max non-GB building giving Treasury according to my FOE helper,
is the normal level 6 (non-ascended ) Egyptian Bathhouse.

That gives 500 treasury daily, which on average with my 1.72x BG (lvl 110) , becomes 860 daily treasury on average.
(72% chance to double, => 500 becomes 500 x 1.72 = 860.)

The best thing of all that? The bathhouse is 12 squares and gives more treasury than the Arc80 which is 35 squares.

So, the full Egyptian bathhouse is about 3 times more efficient than Arc80, when it comes to treasury

After the Bathhouse, the best for treasury, are the GBG towers which can't be used with FSP anymore.


So, any members needing to donate their fair share to unlock GE5, they need to use their FSP on the Bathhouse, ASAP
because FSP on full Bathhouses is like collecting 3 times an Arc 80

 

[Aristarchus1]

My L47 Hydra produces 705 in 16 tiles, L6 Royal Bathhouse 500 in 12 tiles. L80 Arc 810 in 35 tiles.
Efficiency is 44/41/23 per tile. Arc is way behind.

My total collection today was 3175 - no idea overall efficiency.

You levels are totally arbitrary though.

An ARC180 still has more GT efficiency (52+ ) than a full Bathhouse or a Hydra47

so , it depends on different levels

 

[Aristarchus1]

They have a big problem.

Age of Empires Mobile - the legend of strategy games - is released in October

Let's hope that AoE, (my fave Desktop strategy game ever), will not repeat several mistakes of FOE.

Basically, they need to come up with some exciting F2P gameplay and not put everything behind a paywall.

In the meanwhile, that F2P gameplay needs to be convincing and addictive enough,
so that many players will be willing to enter the paywall, to support the game and Devs

 

[Aristarchus1]

On that note.... How about instead of giving us just one selection kit of one side building, we get selection kits containing everything upto and including current championship for the past year?

Wouldn't need to be every time we get a championship. Could be just 3 x Championships with new buildings (9 months), 1 x Championship with selection kits for those 3 championships, followed by a new cycle afterwards with brand new buildings.

Many people, including me, still have the Frags from 'Tower of Champions' of the first New GBG championship last Fall (sep23-dec23)
Most semi-decent guild had only gotten the 'Tower of champions level 1', (7500 frags)
because to reach a level 2 (15K frags) , each guild needed 5 GBG wins in a seasons, and only 1 guild in our server managed to do that.

Another strange thing, I saw today in main, is that FSP can still be used on the Tower of Champions from last Fall

so apparently the FSP ban, applies just for 3 towers in the previous 3 GBG seasons ( Royal, Wyv + Thunder)

I guess that's because the original Tower of Champions lvl1+2, didn't give any frags,

But the 3 subsequent towers ( Royal, Wyv + Thunder) , give Tourney , Wyv and Siege frags respectively.


So, this FSP Ban has to do mainly with limiting the mass production of Frags for the newer side buildings ,
( Tourney , Wyv and Siege frags )
apparently

but not with the towers themselves.

I think a better more fair middle solution would be to only stop FSPs from producing side frags,
but still allowing them to provide Treasury, FP, and personal goods.

That would be more fair for the people who fought their guts, to get on top of their servers
and win all those towers (Royal lv2 , Wyv lv2, + Thunderdrake lv2 ),

to at least be able to use FSP to farm and collect their own Tower goods, FP and treasury, if they wanted

And like I wrote before, those Towers, were the 2nd best (non-GB) option for Treasury goods FSP farming, besides the Bathhouse.

Also, along with the Orchards and Sanctums, those Towers would otherside be the best option for FSP to farm personal goods

 

[Emberguard]

Another strange thing, I saw today in main, is that FSP can still be used on the Tower of Champions from last Fall

Good point.

From the announcement:

1. Wyverntide Spire of Victory lvl 1-2
2. Thunderdrake Citadel lvl 1-2
3. Glimmdrake Tower lvl 1-2
4. Royal Tower of Champions lvl 1-2
5. Neo Colossus lvl 8-10

Funny thing is only fragments Glimmdrake has is for the Upgrade to L2

 

[drakenridder]

I find it upmost comical that this change implies suspense and concerns that someone would sink 500 F(A)SP items, 500 (mass) self aid kits and hours upon hours in one sitting on Neo colossus lvl8 to get 1 mediocre building. Theoretically speaking if they would've let it be lvl8 could've been dependently more efficient than the silver/gold. Appears to me rather that they wanted to enhance the emphasis on the cash pass bribe for those not in the top QI guild(s).
In regards of the GbG champion buildings I can understand them. Letting it slide with even lvl1 would allow fast assembly of many side GbG diamond buildings. That been said, it allows for a future introduction of a settlement main reward building giving fragments for blue lagoons. It could be balanced in such a way that at best 50% of the time the player could take advantage of 1 guaranteed double collection. It's vastly less powerful than the F(A)SP items if it's balanced in such a way, yet really valuable in speeding some buildings up. Crucially on such a building the usage of F(A)SP items shouldn't be possible. Imho it's not ideal but at least allows for a workable situation in which the devs still exercise control over the general balance.

Spoiler: Example balance

Needed fragments for blue lagoon: 300
Base daily production: 10
F(A)SP-items can't be used for additional collections of blue lagoon fragments

Assuming the strategy to use the blue lagoon + BG is used to speed up the collection of the next blue lagoon. Using the other guaranteed double collection to get double fragments for blue lagoon for the 5 it's usable collections.
Further more assuming ultimate luck with double collection with BG so, every collection with BG to get blue lagoon fragments is doubled and the GbG champion building's production too:

10 base production x4 (BG+blue lagoon double collections) x 5 collections = 200/300
100 are still needed / (10 x2 BG's double collections) = 5 collection cycles w/o blue lagoon

So, in the best case scenario a player would have every 10 collections half of the time the blue lagoon's guaranteed double collection for 1 single building besides speeding up the next blue lagoon.

300 annual collections x2 BG double collections = 600 worth of collections

150 annual collections x2 blue lagoon's doubled collections = 300 extra collection worth

So, in total upmost a player could get worth 900 annual collections from a building of choice.

Current meta
Assuming the player picks a lvl2 GbG champion building:
600 worth collections x 10

/collection = 6.000

/ 500

needed per GbG side building's selection kit = 12 kits or 6 lvl2 buildings at most

Renewable blue lagoon
Assuming the player picks a lvl2 GbG champion building:
900 worth collections x 10/collection = 9.000 / 500 needed per GbG side building's selection kit = 18 kits or 9 lvl2 buildings at most

So, in the current meta with ultimate luck with consistent double collections annually 6 lvl2 GbG side buildings are achievable. If blue lagoon can be produced from a 1-time settlement main reward building its increased from 6 to 9. So, just 3 extra buildings on an annual basis. Which isn't terrible much considering power creep. While it does speed up progress of a building of choice.
With the dreaded Neo colossus lvl8 this would mean at best from 1,8 marble selection kits to 2,7 at an annual basis. Basically pretty much 1 fully levelled after 1 entire year at the sacrifice of 1-3 additional GbG side buildings of a lvl2 GbG champion building is present.

 

[pistanika]

Inno uses words like balance. They are empty words. Inno listens to the crying people who have not yet bought diamonds and are threatening not to buy. Inno is making changes for those people, but those people still aren't buying diamonds.
Crying people want to be on a similar level to paying players. And so INNO punishes and restricts paying players.
It's all laughable.

 

[drakenridder]

Inno uses words like balance. They are empty words. Inno listens to the crying people who have not yet bought diamonds and are threatening not to buy. Inno is making changes for those people, but those people still aren't buying diamonds.
Crying people want to be on a similar level to paying players. And so INNO punishes and restricts paying players.
It's all laughable.

You refer to some who quote: the rich getting richer? In a response towards GbG championships buildings?
If so, don’t worry. They just heavily underestimate the needed effort over 12w to get GbG championship buildings. Besides within 12w of events and QI much better achievement are possible for less effort: Neo colossus, alongside decent events.