Discussion Discussion on FAS/FASP August 19th changes

[Aristarchus1]

Yes great, buildings that die after a few days and that we cannot remove
There is a serious problem with the game development

Not the first time they've down their super commercial buildings. They've been doing it every time for months.

The main thing in commerce is Trust

The problem is not FAS/FASP but the X2 of the blue galaxy. Their analysis is biased. They didn't even understand that

I totally agree. BG has become the most important GB in the game after the FSP introduction last summer
with the Summerhold Manors which spawn out tons of Jesters stages.

While waiting for the Hub Age, I only login once a day to collect, so my BG level 110 is much more important than my Arc level 140, since I have now almost quit investing in other players' GBs.

If I had to pick only 1 GB in the game, I would rather prefer a BG level 91+ rather than an Arc level 180.

As long as FSP still work with Orchards and BAO and Eco Sanctums etc,
then BG is still more profitable than Arc 2.0 x,

unless one sits all day and takes spots in other GBs, which most of us don't have the time to do so.

5 years ago, when I started playing FOE,
I never thought it would become this way,
that the Blue Galaxy level 91+ has now become much more important than Arc level 180+

The new basic equation of the game:

Win = BG + FSP + buildings with 100+FP / 100+goods


No need to fight for Arc spots anymore.

I could as well delete my Arc140 + in the Hub age, with all these over powercreeped buildings if the equation becomes

Win = BG + FSP + buildings with 200+FP / 200+goods


For example, if I have a farm of 100+ Jesters Stages and other buildings which overall make 15+ FSPs daily,
then if you use those 15 FSP with Eco Sanctums and Orchards, then that's an easy free 2K+FP/ 2K+ goods, which along with BG 2x become FREE extra 4K+FP / 4K+ goods daily just because of BG+FSP+jesters. And that's coming only from 15 buildings, and you still get to collect the whole city, besides these 15 buildings.

But Arcs besides treasury, don't make any personal goods.

And to make 4K FP free profit with Arc 2.0x in 1.9 threads, ( 0.1x extra =10% profit ), then you need to invest daily over 40K FP in other players GBs, and almost noone does that, because firstly it's not so easy to find so many locked secured primed Top spots,

and besides, most top guild threads have 1.92 to 1.95 so one can't even make 10% FP profit with 2.0x Arcs ,
since 1.95x = only 5% FP profit in 1.9x threads used with 2.0x arcs
and 1.92x = only 8% FP profit in 1.9 threads used with 2.0x arcs.

 

[Pericles the Lion]

I totally agree. BG has become the most important GB in the game after the FSP introduction last summer
with the Summerhold Manors which spawn out tons of Jesters stages.

While waiting for the Hub Age, I only login once a day to collect, so my BG level 110 is much more important than my Arc level 140, since I have now almost quit investing in other players' GBs.

If I had to pick only 1 GB in the game, I would rather prefer a BG level 91+ rather than an Arc level 180.

As long as FSP still work with Orchards and BAO and Eco Sanctums etc,
then BG is still more profitable than Arc 2.0 x,

unless one sits all day and takes spots in other GBs, which most of us don't have the time to do so.

5 years ago, when I started playing FOE,
I never thought it would become this way,
that the Blue Galaxy level 91+ has now become much more important than Arc level 180+

The new basic equation of the game:

Win = BG + FSP + buildings with 100+FP / 100+goods


No need to fight for Arc spots anymore.

I could as well delete my Arc140 + in the Hub age, with all these over powercreeped buildings if the equation becomes

Win = BG + FSP + buildings with 200+FP / 200+goods


For example, if I have a farm of 100+ Jesters Stages and other buildings which overall make 15+ FSPs daily,
then if you use those 15 FSP with Eco Sanctums and Orchards, then that's an easy free 2K+FP/ 2K+ goods, which along with BG 2x become FREE 4K+FP / 4K goods daily just because of BG+FSP+jesters.

But Arcs besides treasury, don't make any personal goods.

And to make 4K FP free profit with Arc 2.0x in 1.9 threads, ( 0.1x extra =10% profit ), then you need to invest over 40K FP in other players GBs, and almost noone does that,
and besides, most top guild threads have 1.92 to 1.95 so one can't even make 10% FP profit with 2.0x Arcs ,
since 1.95x = 5% profit in 1.9x threads used with 2.0x arcs
and 1.92x = 8% profit in 1.9 threads used with 2.0x arcs.

There really is no need for any equations. If you've "almost quit investing in other players' GBs" then your ARC is useless except for providing guild goods. If you're not supporting your guildmates GBs you probably don't care much about the treasury either. Imo, if all that you are interested in is your personal stash of FPs and goods you should form a 1-person guild and delete your ARC to make space for an Eco Sanctum.

Btw, I have a L180 Arc and investing 40K per day in other players' GBs is a low number for me (and lots of other players with hyper levelled Arcs).

 

[koordi]

U don’t need Arc to send goods to your guild...

 

[Emberguard]

I totally agree. BG has become the most important GB in the game after the FSP introduction last summer
with the Summerhold Manors which spawn out tons of Jesters stages.

I would argue it goes back to a year before that when fragments were introduced for the Nutcracker Guardhouse

5 years ago, when I started playing FOE,
I never thought it would become this way,
that the Blue Galaxy level 91+ has now become much more important than Arc level 180+

Yeah, I never would have thought it would either

 

[Pericles the Lion]

U don’t need Arc to send goods to your guild...

Agreed. However, a L80 produces 810 treasury goods. Even with a L91 BG I don't think that there is another building that comes close to the Arc's efficiency.

 

[RKinG]

For my part, their blocking of new buildings does not change anything for me. I will use my X2 on the blocked buildings.
But let's take the blocking of Wish Fountain - active it will continue to give X2.
I play for the long term.
Inno is shooting itself in the foot with these blockages and reductions of new buildings.
What worries me is what happens next, paying players feel trickery. Some will stop spending, they have big cities and can play for free.
Regaining their trust will be very difficult without changes. Losing trust is easy, regaining it is terribly difficult

Others are talking about doing procedures in EU because they feel abused by this new system in place.
FAS / FASP are only an accelerator that does not work on new features, it is completely absurd.
FAS / FASP are useful for recent players and faster evolution but not on new features

In the future, it would be relevant to have more testing time and diamond means offered to avoid finding ourselves in situations that harm the new features of the game

 

[Emberguard]

Agreed. However, a L80 produces 810 treasury goods. Even with a L91 BG I don't think that there is another building that comes close to the Arc's efficiency.

I think the closest would be the Royal Bathhouse at 500 goods per day (100 of each). So 1 Finish Special per day on the Royal Bathhouse would outpace a lvl 80 Arc (162 of each)

Even just using Blue Galaxy on Royal Bathhouse without a finish special would give an average of 850 goods (170 of each)

But the main reason I'd want the Arc to handle it is so
(a) I don't have to manually do anything for Guild Treasury aside from log in and pick everything up. If I'm busy that day I should still have time on my main to do a 5 diamond collect
And (b) if I have multiple sources of Guild Goods that should in theory be more Goods in the Treasury in the long run than restricting it to just one buildings output, given I'll want to swap which building I want to use the Finish Special on depending on what exactly I'm focusing on at the time

If we're looking at a Lvl 180 Arc then it'd be 1,810 Guild Treasury goods (362 of each). That's not far off from two doubled productions on Royal Bathhouse, or four normal productions of Royal Bathhouse per day if you're looking to use Finish Special

So not a terrible idea if all you're looking to do is match the Arcs output (as opposed to having as many sources as you possibly can) and don't mind using Finish Special each and every day specifically for Guild Goods

I could certainly see it being attractive to those that just want to free up space in their city and are willing to use those Finish Specials to make up for the lack of Arc. But for the casual player it would make so much more sense to keep the Arc just so they have a automatic and reliable deposit into Guild Treasury

 

[nice2haveu]

@Juber, what was the procedure to claim the QI chest pass amount spend in the QI championship?

I read the suggestions and reasoning and I support the decision for company economy. But money invested is my economy and please consider player's right to claim the money (on live server) due to company development logic mistake.
For the company mistake taking players money for granted is not acceptable with any policy/rules/regulations.

 

[Ironrooster]

Agreed. However, a L80 produces 810 treasury goods. Even with a L91 BG I don't think that there is another building that comes close to the Arc's efficiency.

My L47 Hydra produces 705 in 16 tiles, L6 Royal Bathhouse 500 in 12 tiles. L80 Arc 810 in 35 tiles.
Efficiency is 44/41/23 per tile. Arc is way behind.

My total collection today was 3175 - no idea overall efficiency.

 

[Shelby GT500]

Inno continues with his policy of "I can, I want and I command!"
Inno doesn't care about the players' opinions, just their €€€€€€....

 

[koordi]

@Juber, what was the procedure to claim the QI chest pass amount spend in the QI championship?

I read the suggestions and reasoning and I support the decision for company economy. But money invested is my economy and please consider player's right to claim the money (on live server) due to company development logic mistake.
For the company mistake taking players money for granted is not acceptable with any policy/rules/regulations.

Money and diamonds...

 

[Markus Stormrider]

hey, inno forgot some buildings:

- the first champions tower (lv 1 and 2)
- all max buildings from all of the settlements (i.e. the levels throwing in QI bonuses, and the limited levels); these are hugely strong already, and offer FSP fragments in high numbers
- all buildings in event gold divisions (those that give frags for the gold-level event buildings at the very least)

if inno wanted to do it right, these should have been included for sure; now we got a half working solution plus, the top players can still benefit hugely, getting > 1k extra FP/day from completing these buildings every time (using blue galaxy and FSP)

 

[Dessire]

I would be more than OK if almost al GBs change their actual bonuses for somethig totally new which you can not get from any event buildings + ask you goods of their age like titan buildings + inno ads downgrade kits + increase the level/%cap of certain GBs bonuses to make us level up above 140 any GB.

 

[mcbluefire]

Thanks for the nerf, Inno. I know me spending my 5-8 FSP & mass aids per day on the Wyverntide Spire of Victory L1 to obtain 5 fragments (on average) of the Wyverntide Smithy was super over-powered and game breaking!

With my ability to gain 1 level of one of these buildings every 13 days I'm pretty sure the state of that game was in jepodardy. Good thing you all observed that.

Let's keep in mind, however, that the Wyverntide Smithy is NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN GBG as a reward drop so should not have been included in the nerf.

But, yeah... so much better that it will take over 300 days to move the three I have to L2! Got that balance fixed.

 

[Thunderdome]

What a load of rubbish I had read on that KB for this nerf. Granted I haven't used my FASPs on such (or maybe I did) as I had stopped using them when I gave the Rival the boot for their absurd amount of 24 hour productions; so they are just sitting in my inventory piling up as I am making way of getting more Mass Self Aid Kits by placing more Nutcrackers as they become available (fragments from the Chocolatery) or getting lucky with the Flying Island on a rare shard.

 

[Emberguard]

Let's keep in mind, however, that the Wyverntide Smithy is NO LONGER AVAILABLE IN GBG as a reward drop so should not have been included in the nerf.

On that note.... How about instead of giving us just one selection kit of one side building, we get selection kits containing everything upto and including current championship for the past year?

Wouldn't need to be every time we get a championship. Could be just 3 x Championships with new buildings (9 months), 1 x Championship with selection kits for those 3 championships, followed by a new cycle afterwards with brand new buildings.

 

[pistanika]

For my part, their blocking of new buildings does not change anything for me. I will use my X2 on the blocked buildings.
But let's take the blocking of Wish Fountain

In the future, it would be relevant to have more testing time and diamond means offered to avoid finding ourselves in situations that harm the new features of the game

Yes, I am one of them. One more round of QI and I'm done buying diamonds.
I built a city where I no longer need FAS / FASP.

Attack and Defense 11000+ / 8000+
FP 7500+
goods for me 14,100+
goods for the guild 14,500+

If INNO is going to punish me for my activity, I have no interest in further supporting this game. I'll play with what I have.

 

[pistanika]

I think that the problem of creators from INNO is impatience. INNO implements new things on the beta server and then quickly on the live version. They do it for the sake of a quick profit.

The new QI thing is getting boring. Many active players wrote that they are getting bored. The bubble burst. On our server, only 2 guilds play for placement. Other guilds play for fun.

 

[koordi]

They have a big problem.

Age of Empires Mobile - the legend of strategy games - is released in October

 

[Aristarchus1]

There really is no need for any equations. If you've "almost quit investing in other players' GBs" then your ARC is useless except for providing guild goods. If you're not supporting your guildmates GBs you probably don't care much about the treasury either. Imo, if all that you are interested in is your personal stash of FPs and goods you should form a 1-person guild and delete your ARC to make space for an Eco Sanctum.

Btw, I have a L180 Arc and investing 40K per day in other players' GBs is a low number for me (and lots of other players with hyper levelled Arcs).

Nice for you if you have the time to take so many spots.

But I decided to spend maximum only 5 minutes a day in my main city,
until the Hub age is released in Live.

And yes, you guessed correctly. I quit all top guilds and I am in a mono-guild, to avoid any requirements that felt like a job.

Life is good !!