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Feedback Cultural Settlements - Mughal Empire

xivarmy

Emperor
It's not really up to us to provide a full walkthrough though, we give an overview and some tips and players will have to figure out where to go from there. If you just blindly follow a guide we provide, what's the challenge?
I think the question with this one is : "why did you think this would be particularly fun?"

There's two major points that seem very anti-fun:
1) The 4-5 days at the start with no good coin producers where you basically can't do anything but run 1 goods building and a bunch of houses on 4-hour cycles. As someone who can barely drag myself through settlements anymore (still inching through aztecs on my live world playing it maybe every 3rd day), this would be the biggest stumbling block.
2) The degree to which you have to tear down the entire city to build culture anytime you want to unlock anything. The "puzzle" of working in the chains during this phase does not make up for the annoyance of then having to rebuild an entire city after. ("Puzzle" being awfully generous)

So whatever promotional material you put out for it should show some aspect of this that your developers are excited by. If there's not such an aspect, why not?
 

drakenridder

Baronet
It's not really up to us to provide a full walkthrough though, we give an overview and some tips and players will have to figure out where to go from there. If you just blindly follow a guide we provide, what's the challenge?
@xivarmy explained what I meant best in the first point. With settlements you can't follow blindly
a guide as every settlement has impediments on different places. Ultimately offering always a
different challenge for each run.
This settlement has extremely confusing and conflicting elements. To begin with the much
debated poor beginning and the conflicting concluding quest at the end. The same quest
was originally for settlements implemented. Until the dev. team agreed with players'
complains that it's dissatisfying to tearing down an settlement and leave it half destroyed
behind after working hard to establish it with the locals a fully functional settlement. Plus
the lack of any practical usage of the final coin producing diplomatic building.
Actual game play footage of the first 3 days, footage of the mid game and nearing the end
of the settlement made by developers who're discussing with each other how the settlement
went and what they feel like is fun as they've envisioned the settlement and the thought process
behind it. Would be of great help for understanding both the settlement and what is supposed
to be fun in the new settlement.
This settlement only leaves me wondering by their statement, that this settlement ain't the
cup of tea for everyone and requires a very specific type of game play, if it's either me and
a bunch of players on the forum unable to figuring it out or if the settlement is flawed in it's
design. If there was official reference game play material instead of just example material
with obvious cheats enabled (40+ upgrades of settlement main reward) it would be far less
confusing.
 

ForgeS45

Farmer
It's not really up to us to provide a full walkthrough though, we give an overview and some tips and players will have to figure out where to go from there. If you just blindly follow a guide we provide, what's the challenge?
No need to post it everywhere for every player, but at least with the handful experienced tester in the forum, especially here Beta, who in part make their own guides, it would be nice to have any kind of feedback, how the settlement is planned to play.

Do you anticipate that for unlocking every new building the whole settlement has to be demolished for cultural buildings?
In the other time, at least the Water Canal + Alley have to go, no purpose? Pretty unnatural kind of building..
Without such, no gold time - or diamond expansions?..

Late edit: ok, other have already written the same. ;)
 
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I use the settlements as a diversion. This one is so lush and extraordinarily beautiful, I visit just to see the light on the water. The animators consistently do an amazing job with this game. The elephants! The peacocks! Oh my....
 
It's not really up to us to provide a full walkthrough though, we give an overview and some tips and players will have to figure out where to go from there. If you just blindly follow a guide we provide, what's the challenge?
And if you play it the way it appears to be intended as far as the players can figure out, where's the fun? That is rhetorical of course, there is none.
 

drakenridder

Baronet
Just like the feedback on the Mughal colony, they are identical on 6 servers
I can confirm an 7th forum (Dutch forum) yielded similar remarks and criticism.

Personally I think this settlement would be greatly improved by dropping the costs for roads
entirely. As the only ''logical'' reason why roads costs cultural coins, is to prevent players
swapping roads for diplomatic buildings. This settlement doesn't have 1x1 diplomatic buildings
you could use to swap roads with. The high costs are holding mostly coin production and are
one of the greater causes of the severe coin shortage in the beginning. Another problem is
the lack of any efficient and effective way of producing sufficient coins.
Never-mind the worse in design quests. For example produce the first 2 settlements goods
while being near the end of the quest line. Another one practically tear down the entire town
after producing the needed goods and leaving an destroyed Mughal city as an collection of
diplomatic buildings. The last really makes me feel like I'm playing like an double agent, send
to destroy the Mughal empire from the inside out. While with the other cultures I'm leaving an
functional town and feeling like I really did provide development support.
 

xivarmy

Emperor
I can confirm an 7th forum (Dutch forum) yielded similar remarks and criticism.

Personally I think this settlement would be greatly improved by dropping the costs for roads
entirely. As the only ''logical'' reason why roads costs cultural coins, is to prevent players
swapping roads for diplomatic buildings. This settlement doesn't have 1x1 diplomatic buildings
you could use to swap roads with. The high costs are holding mostly coin production and are
one of the greater causes of the severe coin shortage in the beginning. Another problem is
the lack of any efficient and effective way of producing sufficient coins.
Never-mind the worse in design quests. For example produce the first 2 settlements goods
while being near the end of the quest line. Another one practically tear down the entire town
after producing the needed goods and leaving an destroyed Mughal city as an collection of
diplomatic buildings. The last really makes me feel like I'm playing like an double agent, send
to destroy the Mughal empire from the inside out. While with the other cultures I'm leaving an
functional town and feeling like I really did provide development support.
Honestly the road cost doesn't matter at all for this one. Unlike other settlements where you can optimize your coin use to blow through the start faster, this one it's just not going to cut off anything significant. You can afford the roads to build the 20 connected house town that will support your 1 goods building. And there's not much to be gained from trying to do 2 goods buildings even for a short time because you need so many goods before you can start building a better city than 20 houses + 1 goods building.

Perhaps that was the point - perhaps they didn't like that people did road-optimized-starts of Aztecs so they wanted to defeat the point of that. But in doing so they killed one of the few strategic parts of a settlement - how do you get out of the most miserable part of a settlement faster?
 

drakenridder

Baronet
Perhaps that was the point - perhaps they didn't like that people did road-optimized-starts of Aztecs so they wanted to defeat the point of that. But in doing so they killed one of the few strategic parts of a settlement - how do you get out of the most miserable part of a settlement faster?
@xivarmy plausible but just plain childish and revengeful attitude if that's the real thought process
behind it. If they really wants us to play according to their vision and forcing us into it, they should
provide actual game play footage instead of game footage with cheats enabled. At the very least
run through test runs for unlocking all lvls of the main reward without using cheats and than taking
notes and remarks.
Tweaking it a bit left and right where needed according to the remarks and than proceeding to Beta
with preferable 3 official game play footage. In which the testing developers are discussing in the early,
mid and end stage of the settlement what we can expect and what they feel like is fun and how they feel
it's a good representation of the chosen culture. Would be far more fun, informational and useful than
just explaining the mechanics with example footage in which cheats are obviously enabled.
I'm aware that this requires extra additional time and delays upcoming settlements further but I think it
should be possible for them. To just like us players playing through the settlements while still doing our
normal job and living our social lives.
 
After 330 comments, mostly about the downfalls and needed improvements for this settlement, not to mention countless other servers with the same types of feedback one might presume that the developers could not care less what anyone thinks...
Good thing this settlement is optional to play... Most players won't be bothered by it...