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Coplaying ?

DeletedUser199

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Co-playing will make it in the long run near impossible for a single player to contend at the top. Like in Tribalwars... So yes. Ban it.

It being allowed is one of the main reasons I no longer like Tribalwars...
I bet its been said before in one way or another, but if you were to allow it on this game then ingame would be centralized around a few heavily co-played accounts who are online 24/7 and prevent other new and old players who are by themselves to distinguish theirselves within the game. Basically it would discourage others from even playing and only encourage further co-playing...
Like it is now in Tribalwars, where some tribes don't even allow single person accounts anymore since they simply cannot keep up.

Although of course this game isn't the same as TW, you cannot lose your village or your progress by being offline (Not that I know off yet anyways) But other then that, the negative consequences are comparable.

Also... Awesome I can be on the forum from work :D One of the few sites that isn't blocked w00t!
Now on to find a way to remove the block from downloading a recent flashplayer... Or DL'ing anything basically ^^
 

DeletedUser

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Co-playing will make it in the long run near impossible for a single player to contend at the top. Like in Tribalwars... So yes. Ban it.

It being allowed is one of the main reasons I no longer like Tribalwars...
I bet its been said before in one way or another, but if you were to allow it on this game then ingame would be centralized around a few heavily co-played accounts who are online 24/7 and prevent other new and old players who are by themselves to distinguish theirselves within the game. Basically it would discourage others from even playing and only encourage further co-playing...
Like it is now in Tribalwars, where some tribes don't even allow single person accounts anymore since they simply cannot keep up.

Although of course this game isn't the same as TW, you cannot lose your village or your progress by being offline (Not that I know off yet anyways) But other then that, the negative consequences are comparable.

Also... Awesome I can be on the forum from work :D One of the few sites that isn't blocked w00t!
Now on to find a way to remove the block from downloading a recent flashplayer... Or DL'ing anything basically ^^
Pm me if you want a large series of tools to help with that, but yeah, memory stick the flashplayer file for a basic fix.
 

DeletedUser

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Co-playing will make it in the long run near impossible for a single player to contend at the top. Like in Tribalwars... So yes. Ban it.

It being allowed is one of the main reasons I no longer like Tribalwars...
I bet its been said before in one way or another, but if you were to allow it on this game then ingame would be centralized around a few heavily co-played accounts who are online 24/7 and prevent other new and old players who are by themselves to distinguish theirselves within the game. Basically it would discourage others from even playing and only encourage further co-playing...
Like it is now in Tribalwars, where some tribes don't even allow single person accounts anymore since they simply cannot keep up.

Although of course this game isn't the same as TW, you cannot lose your village or your progress by being offline (Not that I know off yet anyways) But other then that, the negative consequences are comparable.

Also... Awesome I can be on the forum from work :D One of the few sites that isn't blocked w00t!
Now on to find a way to remove the block from downloading a recent flashplayer... Or DL'ing anything basically ^^

on this note i was gone for 2 days with only geting on every 8-9 hours, and i went from around rank 12 to like 40 so i can see the reasons a co would be unfair
 

DeletedUser199

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on this note i was gone for 2 days with only geting on every 8-9 hours, and i went from around rank 12 to like 40 so i can see the reasons a co would be unfair

I'm glad you understand.

But seriously, if you wish to justify having a co because you yourself do not have enough time, then where do you draw a line? You cannot. Soon everybody would be using co-players and a single player would never be able to get to the top on his own... Allowing one co-played account would cause a cascade effect.
 

DeletedUser

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on this note i was gone for 2 days with only geting on every 8-9 hours, and i went from around rank 12 to like 40 so i can see the reasons a co would be unfair

but the other hand of that is it can be a reason for co's or at least sitting... gone for 1-2 days and have all your hard work ruined that's not very fair now is it?

in my opinion people who say they don't want co's because it ruined other games, just weren't willing to learn how to properly play the other games and when they lost they had the easy excuse to blame it on co's. so instead of saying the top 5 are cheaters they can accuse them of co's now too...
 

DeletedUser199

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but the other hand of that is it can be a reason for co's or at least sitting... gone for 1-2 days and have all your hard work ruined that's not very fair now is it?

in my opinion people who say they don't want co's because it ruined other games, just weren't willing to learn how to properly play the other games and when they lost they had the easy excuse to blame it on co's. so instead of saying the top 5 are cheaters they can accuse them of co's now too...

If you cannot play. Then it is your 'fault'. None of us here can play 24/7... Everyone has their limitations. If you think you are to severely limited to play this game properly and you need help... Then find a game to play for which you do have enough time.

Your work will not be ruined if you are gone for a longer period of time. This isn't like Tribalwars where you can come back to find you have lost everything.

And if that last bit is a jab at me... Then you obviously do not even know me.
 

DeletedUser

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Let's remain civil here. :)


Coplaying penalizes solo-players
Coplaying discourages new players (as they invariably start out as soloists)
Coplaying isn't all that good for business, as it reduces the need for premium features
Coplaying provides an easy means to account-steal
Coplaying increases the workload for mods and managers
Coplaying focuses on the account, instead of the players, and is thus rather impersonal, which cuts down on the larger social aspect
Coplaying means less actual bodies (1:1 player to acct vs 2:1 player to acct), causing worlds to be less populated
etc...

On my iphone, and thumb typing sucks, so that's the short list Yal. Hope it's sufficient to make my point. ;)
 

DeletedUser

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And in no way do i mean this to be disrespectfull but I think the skill of the person who gets a co can cause alot of the negative effects that i ahve heard mentioned. and the more skill of the players decreases some of the risks that are mentioned.

as for your list and i feel it was a easy one to debunk here we go

Coplaying penalizes solo-players
how so? Ive soloed and ived coed, havnt felt penalized either way


Coplaying discourages new players (as they invariably start out as soloists)
they start off solo, and as they progress in game play ability , they can co, or if they struggle another play can ahve them co play and help teach them.

Coplaying isn't all that good for business, as it reduces the need for premium features
more people on the account so greater chance they can afford premium, also i have co's on tribal wars and i still use premium features.

Coplaying provides an easy means to account-steal
not really i have coplayed often and never had my accoutn stolen, you have to trust your coplayer just as you would trust your tribemates.

Coplaying increases the workload for mods and managers
I dont see how, makes less i think, as there would be more accounts, i interviewed mods and such for this one and they seem to be in agreement with me. since i am in a position to talk to people that mod helps me see that this isnt the case.

Coplaying focuses on the account, instead of the players, and is thus rather impersonal, which cuts down on the larger social aspect
more people on the account forces them to be social, most co's have a group chat were they talk, more co's on the account is more people to post on the forums, and on skype so it increases the social aspect of the game in my eyes.

Coplaying means less actual bodies (1:1 player to acct vs 2:1 player to acct), causing worlds to be less populated
less population is less strain on the servers, expecially important for this game. less of a world population, consisting of accounts that are ran to the full ability co wise or solo in turn makes a better world to play on.
 
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DeletedUser251

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Let's remain civil here. :)


Coplaying penalizes solo-players
Coplaying discourages new players (as they invariably start out as soloists)
Coplaying isn't all that good for business, as it reduces the need for premium features
Coplaying provides an easy means to account-steal
Coplaying increases the workload for mods and managers
Coplaying focuses on the account, instead of the players, and is thus rather impersonal, which cuts down on the larger social aspect
Coplaying means less actual bodies (1:1 player to acct vs 2:1 player to acct), causing worlds to be less populated
etc...

On my iphone, and thumb typing sucks, so that's the short list Yal. Hope it's sufficient to make my point. ;)
I agree with this entirely. Co-playing is a bastardization of rules that is allowed for god knows what reason. I honestly believe that co-playing, is one of the reasons for the lowering of the competitiveness, and popularity, on tribalwars.
 

DeletedUser200

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Just to add to this already meaningless discussion,

It is almost impossible for a mod/admin or higher to screen and find out wether there is a hacker active, this is a duel account and co-sitting for family members would be prohibited since it is impossible to see the difference.

It will be way to hard for InnoGames-staff to work. Co-op should be prohibited.
May I remind everyone this is not tribalwars, not even close.

For those who are or were InnoGames-staff know that this isn't feasible.
 

DeletedUser

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That post talked about 4 different subjects, none of which are interconnected.
hacking is not coplaying
sitting is not coplaying
Neither looks like coplaying.

Coplaying can be illegalized, much as it is on grepolis, and on some tw servers.
 

DeletedUser200

Guest
Have you ever been in the InnoGames-team?
sitting within families → multi's are impossible to detect, everyone claims to be co-sitting for the familymember.
Hacking → when someone co-plays on an account an decides to change the password you're in for a treat. If this would happen to you would you expect your account back? Because this is seldomly done. It's your choice to co-sit, so you're responsibility. I'd like
 
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